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現在的競爭力項目已經持續很長一段時間了,我想請金所長為我們介紹一下這是從什麼時候開始的?
[金碚]:
中國社會科學院工業經濟研究所研究競爭力的團隊,從1995年前後就開始研究中國的產業和企業的競爭力問題。那個時候,社科院也設了一個重大的科研項目。到了2001年的時候,我們又承接了社科院的一個重大課題,就是研究中國企業和產業的競爭力。
在zai我wo們men研yan究jiu課ke題ti的de基ji礎chu上shang形xing成cheng了le一yi批pi理li論lun研yan究jiu成cheng果guo,在zai理li論lun研yan究jiu成cheng果guo的de基ji礎chu上shang麵mian,我wo們men中zhong國guo社she會hui科ke學xue院yuan工gong業ye經jing濟ji研yan究jiu所suo的de研yan究jiu人ren員yuan和he中zhong國guo經jing營ying報bao社she共gong同tong開kai發fa了le一yi個ge中zhong國guo企qi業ye競jing爭zheng力li的de一yi個ge監jian測ce體ti係xi。就jiu是shi我wo們men從cong2003年開始,每年通過統計的數據和一些調查研究的方法來對中國的各個行業企業的競爭力狀況進行監測。所謂監測就是我們用量化的方式、shujudefangshibaqiyejingzhenglideyixiebiaoxiannenggoubatachengxianchulai,tadejieguojiushixingchengyigeqiyejingzhenglideshujuku。zhegeshujukuwomenkeyitigonggeiyanjiujie、企業界,大家使用這個數據分析中國企業競爭力的狀況。
[金碚]:
同時,我們在這個數據庫的基礎上,我們自己也做了對企業競爭力狀況進行研究、分析。一方麵是分析研究或者比較各個行業、gegeqiyetadejingzhenglizhuangkuang,doushiyongshujulaichengxian。tongshi,yetongguoduiqiyegetijingzhenglizhuangkuangdeyizhongchengxianhemiaoshu,laifaxianheyanjiuzhongguojingjifazhan。tebieshigongyefazhandeguochengzhongsuochanshengdeyixiejuyouqingxiangxingdexianxianghewenti。yifangmian,womenshiweiyanjiuzhe、weiqiyetigongjianceshujuhejiancejieguo,lingyifangmianliyongzhegejianceshujuhejieguolaijianshizhongguojingjifazhanzhongjiandeyixiliewenti。jiuxiangniganggangshuodeyiyang,zhongguojinruyigekuaisudegongyehuajieduan,zaizhegejieduandeshihouhuiyouyixiliejingjixianxianghuozhewenti,womentongguozhegejianceshujuyekenengzaiyidingchengdushanglaifaxianzhexiewenti,laijieshizhexiexianxiang。zheshiwomenxiangmudeyigezongzhi。
[金碚]:
這個項目我們已經前持續了十多年了,我們監測的數據實際上是從2002年以來,每年都發布這樣的一個監測結果,編輯出版《中國企業競爭力的報告》。
[中國網]:
您剛才談到了企業競爭力它起步的時間和做法,它對於我國工業化競爭和現代工業化的競爭有什麼樣的意義呢?
[金碚]:
通過我們這幾年的監測,我們就非常明顯的感覺到,中國在一個相對比較短的曆史時期內(實際上中國的工業改革實際上是從上個世紀八十年代開始,準確的說應該是從84年開始,到現在也就二十多年),在(zai)這(zhe)二(er)十(shi)多(duo)年(nian)中(zhong)間(jian)我(wo)們(men)通(tong)過(guo)對(dui)企(qi)業(ye)競(jing)爭(zheng)力(li)狀(zhuang)況(kuang)的(de)分(fen)析(xi),我(wo)們(men)可(ke)以(yi)發(fa)現(xian)中(zhong)國(guo)二(er)十(shi)多(duo)年(nian)經(jing)濟(ji)發(fa)展(zhan)過(guo)程(cheng)中(zhong)間(jian),它(ta)走(zou)過(guo)的(de)道(dao)路(lu)是(shi)國(guo)外(wai)或(huo)者(zhe)是(shi)西(xi)方(fang)國(guo)家(jia)的(de)企(qi)業(ye)上(shang)百(bai)年(nian)的(de)曆(li)史(shi)過(guo)程(cheng)。它(ta)表(biao)現(xian)出(chu)來(lai)的(de)現(xian)象(xiang),比(bi)如(ru)說(shuo)我(wo)們(men)剛(gang)開(kai)始(shi)的(de)時(shi)候(hou),企(qi)業(ye)競(jing)爭(zheng)力(li)狀(zhuang)況(kuang)比(bi)較(jiao)弱(ruo),中(zhong)國(guo)是(shi)從(cong)一(yi)個(ge)計(ji)劃(hua)經(jing)濟(ji)體(ti)製(zhi)向(xiang)市(shi)場(chang)經(jing)濟(ji)體(ti)製(zhi)轉(zhuan)軌(gui),剛(gang)轉(zhuan)軌(gui)的(de)過(guo)程(cheng)中(zhong)企(qi)業(ye)開(kai)始(shi)不(bu)適(shi)應(ying),表(biao)現(xian)企(qi)業(ye)競(jing)爭(zheng)力(li)狀(zhuang)況(kuang)比(bi)較(jiao)差(cha)。那(na)個(ge)時(shi)候(hou)有(you)個(ge)表(biao)現(xian)就(jiu)是(shi)企(qi)業(ye)虧(kui)損(sun)比(bi)較(jiao)多(duo),當(dang)然(ran)也(ye)有(you)一(yi)部(bu)分(fen)企(qi)業(ye)進(jin)入(ru)了(le)一(yi)個(ge)過(guo)去(qu)沒(mei)有(you)人(ren)進(jin)入(ru)的(de)領(ling)域(yu),所(suo)以(yi)也(ye)有(you)多(duo)個(ge)企(qi)業(ye)表(biao)現(xian)著(zhe)產(chan)生(sheng)比(bi)較(jiao)多(duo)的(de)利(li)潤(run),但(dan)也(ye)有(you)相(xiang)當(dang)一(yi)部(bu)分(fen)老(lao)的(de)企(qi)業(ye)表(biao)現(xian)為(wei)虧(kui)損(sun)。
[金碚]:
中(zhong)國(guo)一(yi)些(xie)企(qi)業(ye)經(jing)過(guo)新(xin)的(de)產(chan)業(ye)領(ling)域(yu)以(yi)後(hou),獲(huo)得(de)了(le)較(jiao)大(da)的(de)獲(huo)利(li)空(kong)間(jian)。這(zhe)個(ge)獲(huo)利(li)空(kong)間(jian)時(shi)間(jian)不(bu)是(shi)特(te)別(bie)長(chang),很(hen)快(kuai)就(jiu)過(guo)了(le)那(na)個(ge)時(shi)間(jian)。在(zai)我(wo)們(men)做(zuo)研(yan)究(jiu)報(bao)告(gao)的(de)時(shi)候(hou),差(cha)不(bu)多(duo)前(qian)兩(liang)年(nian)的(de)時(shi)間(jian)。我(wo)們(men)當(dang)時(shi)的(de)研(yan)究(jiu)報(bao)告(gao)的(de)主(zhu)題(ti)是(shi)講(jiang)叫(jiao)“微利企業、微利時代”。什(shen)麼(me)叫(jiao)微(wei)利(li)時(shi)代(dai)?就(jiu)是(shi)企(qi)業(ye)盈(ying)利(li)率(lv)普(pu)遍(bian)下(xia)降(jiang),競(jing)爭(zheng)非(fei)常(chang)激(ji)烈(lie)。這(zhe)個(ge)表(biao)明(ming)中(zhong)國(guo)的(de)經(jing)濟(ji)從(cong)一(yi)個(ge)計(ji)劃(hua)經(jing)濟(ji)已(yi)經(jing)過(guo)度(du)到(dao)一(yi)個(ge)市(shi)場(chang)競(jing)爭(zheng)的(de)階(jie)段(duan),就(jiu)是(shi)初(chu)步(bu)建(jian)立(li)了(le)市(shi)場(chang)的(de)競(jing)爭(zheng)體(ti)製(zhi)。由(you)於(yu)競(jing)爭(zheng),而(er)且(qie)企(qi)業(ye)在(zai)市(shi)場(chang)經(jing)濟(ji)的(de)初(chu)期(qi)主(zhu)要(yao)是(shi)采(cai)取(qu)了(le)一(yi)種(zhong)價(jia)格(ge)競(jing)爭(zheng)和(he)成(cheng)本(ben)競(jing)爭(zheng)的(de)方(fang)式(shi),我(wo)把(ba)它(ta)叫(jiao)做(zuo)“血拚式的方式”。盡jin管guan是shi經jing濟ji成cheng長chang很hen快kuai,但dan是shi企qi業ye的de利li潤run率lv在zai下xia降jiang,這zhe是shi正zheng常chang的de,這zhe表biao麵mian競jing爭zheng在zai加jia劇ju。但dan是shi這zhe個ge時shi間jian很hen短duan,到dao今jin年nian我wo們men的de主zhu題ti就jiu變bian成cheng了le企qi業ye盈ying利li很hen高gao,盈ying利li大da幅fu度du的de增zeng長chang。
qitafangmianyeshiyiyang,guoquwomenduiyouyileiqiye,birushuojiagongzhizaoye,tayinglizhuangkuangyouyiduanshijianbijiaohao,danshidangtajingzhengtebiejilieyihou,tadelirunzaixiajiang。danshi,youyixieziyuanxingdexingye,shangyoudechanye,tadeyoushizaitixian,birushiziyuanleide,zhegechanyetalirunbijiaogao,erqiexiangdangyibufenziyuanleidechanyetahaijuyoulongduanxing。haiyoujiashangzaizhizaoyexingyezhongjianyeyouyibufenshuyulongduanxingdeqiye,tadangshihuodedelirunbijiaogao,biaoxianweitadejingzhengnenglibijiaoqiang。
[金碚]:
但(dan)是(shi),到(dao)今(jin)年(nian)我(wo)們(men)就(jiu)會(hui)發(fa)現(xian),有(you)更(geng)多(duo)的(de)產(chan)業(ye)中(zhong)間(jian)的(de)企(qi)業(ye)它(ta)利(li)潤(run)都(dou)在(zai)增(zeng)長(chang),普(pu)遍(bian)的(de)利(li)潤(run)在(zai)增(zeng)長(chang)。我(wo)們(men)今(jin)年(nian)的(de)報(bao)告(gao)就(jiu)要(yao)來(lai)分(fen)析(xi)這(zhe)個(ge)增(zeng)長(chang)表(biao)現(xian)什(shen)麼(me)樣(yang)?它(ta)為(wei)什(shen)麼(me)會(hui)這(zhe)樣(yang)?它(ta)的(de)表(biao)現(xian)在(zai)中(zhong)國(guo)經(jing)濟(ji)發(fa)展(zhan)的(de)良(liang)性(xing)方(fang)麵(mian)是(shi)什(shen)麼(me)?問(wen)題(ti)在(zai)什(shen)麼(me)地(di)方(fang)?總(zong)而(er)言(yan)之(zhi),通(tong)過(guo)我(wo)們(men)對(dui)企(qi)業(ye)競(jing)爭(zheng)力(li)的(de)監(jian)測(ce)來(lai)發(fa)現(xian)中(zhong)國(guo)經(jing)濟(ji)發(fa)展(zhan)中(zhong)間(jian)的(de)問(wen)題(ti)和(he)它(ta)的(de)走(zou)勢(shi)。[page_break]
[中國網]:
jinsuochangzaiyongbutongdeshiqizhongguoqiyebiaoxiandezhengzhuanglaigaosuwomenjingzhenglixiangmuyanjiuyiyifeichangzhongda。ninzaishuodeshihou,ligangyanjiuyuanpinpindiantou,tebierentongjinsuochangdeshuofa。
[李鋼]:
我們從數據上可以看出來,98年是中國計劃經濟向市場經濟轉軌的過程。98年(nian)監(jian)測(ce)的(de)時(shi)候(hou),計(ji)劃(hua)經(jing)濟(ji)向(xiang)市(shi)場(chang)經(jing)濟(ji)轉(zhuan)軌(gui)過(guo)程(cheng)中(zhong)企(qi)業(ye)管(guan)理(li)能(neng)力(li)各(ge)方(fang)麵(mian)的(de)應(ying)變(bian)能(neng)力(li)不(bu)能(neng)適(shi)應(ying),企(qi)業(ye)的(de)盈(ying)利(li)能(neng)力(li)落(luo)到(dao)曆(li)史(shi)的(de)低(di)穀(gu)。但(dan)是(shi)我(wo)們(men)確(que)實(shi)發(fa)現(xian)到(dao)今(jin)天(tian),經(jing)過(guo)了(le)十(shi)多(duo)年(nian)在(zai)市(shi)場(chang)經(jing)濟(ji)中(zhong)的(de)洗(xi)禮(li)中(zhong)企(qi)業(ye)已(yi)經(jing)適(shi)應(ying)了(le),從(cong)過(guo)去(qu)的(de)找(zhao)市(shi)長(chang)轉(zhuan)變(bian)到(dao)了(le)找(zhao)市(shi)場(chang),確(que)實(shi)企(qi)業(ye)的(de)競(jing)爭(zheng)力(li)已(yi)經(jing)提(ti)升(sheng)到(dao)了(le)新(xin)的(de)階(jie)段(duan)。
[中國網]:
我手裏拿的這本書叫《中國企業競爭報告》,這是2007年最新的企業藍皮書了,這個主編就是金碚所長。這裏麵談到一個核心問題啊,就是盈利能力和競爭能力?金所長為我們做一個解讀。
[金碚]:
企(qi)業(ye)的(de)競(jing)爭(zheng)力(li)如(ru)果(guo)從(cong)概(gai)念(nian)上(shang)來(lai)講(jiang),我(wo)的(de)企(qi)業(ye)比(bi)競(jing)爭(zheng)對(dui)手(shou)能(neng)夠(gou)有(you)更(geng)有(you)效(xiao)的(de)方(fang)式(shi)來(lai)向(xiang)社(she)會(hui)提(ti)供(gong)產(chan)品(pin),並(bing)且(qie)能(neng)夠(gou)獲(huo)得(de)持(chi)續(xu)的(de)盈(ying)利(li),能(neng)夠(gou)保(bao)證(zheng)我(wo)們(men)能(neng)夠(gou)持(chi)續(xu)的(de)發(fa)展(zhan)。這(zhe)樣(yang)的(de)一(yi)種(zhong)能(neng)力(li),我(wo)們(men)把(ba)它(ta)叫(jiao)做(zuo)競(jing)爭(zheng)力(li)。很(hen)顯(xian)然(ran),作(zuo)為(wei)一(yi)個(ge)競(jing)爭(zheng)力(li)的(de)監(jian)測(ce)來(lai)講(jiang),盈(ying)利(li)是(shi)一(yi)個(ge)很(hen)重(zhong)要(yao)的(de)指(zhi)標(biao),而(er)且(qie)作(zuo)為(wei)一(yi)個(ge)企(qi)業(ye)的(de)性(xing)質(zhi)來(lai)講(jiang),它(ta)也(ye)是(shi)要(yao)來(lai)追(zhui)求(qiu)盈(ying)利(li)。但(dan)是(shi)反(fan)過(guo)來(lai)我(wo)們(men)能(neng)不(bu)能(neng)說(shuo)盈(ying)利(li)高(gao)了(le)以(yi)後(hou),企(qi)業(ye)競(jing)爭(zheng)力(li)就(jiu)一(yi)定(ding)強(qiang)呢(ne)?這(zhe)個(ge)未(wei)必(bi)如(ru)此(ci)。所(suo)以(yi)今(jin)天(tian)我(wo)們(men)就(jiu)在(zai)說(shuo),第(di)一(yi)我(wo)們(men)從(cong)統(tong)計(ji)表(biao)來(lai)說(shuo),中(zhong)國(guo)企(qi)業(ye)近(jin)年(nian)來(lai)的(de)盈(ying)利(li)狀(zhuang)況(kuang)非(fei)常(chang)的(de)好(hao)。那(na)麼(me),我(wo)們(men)就(jiu)說(shuo)盈(ying)利(li)狀(zhuang)況(kuang)非(fei)常(chang)好(hao)是(shi)不(bu)是(shi)就(jiu)表(biao)明(ming)或(huo)者(zhe)在(zai)多(duo)大(da)程(cheng)度(du)上(shang)能(neng)夠(gou)的(de)表(biao)明(ming),現(xian)在(zai)中(zhong)國(guo)企(qi)業(ye)的(de)競(jing)爭(zheng)力(li)強(qiang)或(huo)者(zhe)是(shi)不(bu)強(qiang)呢(ne)?這(zhe)就(jiu)是(shi)我(wo)們(men)今(jin)年(nian)要(yao)分(fen)析(xi)的(de)一(yi)個(ge)主(zhu)要(yao)問(wen)題(ti)。
[金碚]:
那麼,我們的研究發現中國的企業競爭盈利能夠的提高,在最重要的因素還是企業本身的管理能力、經jing營ying能neng力li和he競jing爭zheng力li的de增zeng強qiang。當dang然ran我wo前qian麵mian講jiang了le,盈ying利li高gao不bu一yi定ding就jiu是shi競jing爭zheng力li強qiang。因yin為wei盈ying利li可ke以yi來lai自zi於yu各ge種zhong原yuan因yin。比bi如ru說shuo不bu同tong的de產chan業ye發fa展zhan的de階jie段duan,比bi如ru說shuo這zhe個ge階jie段duan是shi某mou一yi個ge產chan業ye,社she會hui需xu求qiu特te別bie大da,那na個ge時shi候hou它ta會hui表biao現xian出chu比bi較jiao高gao的de盈ying利li。或huo者zhe說shuo,這zhe個ge產chan業ye它ta具ju有you壟long斷duan性xing,一yi個ge壟long斷duan的de企qi業ye它ta可ke以yi表biao現xian出chu競jing爭zheng力li盈ying利li比bi較jiao高gao,但dan是shi這zhe個ge盈ying利li並bing不bu表biao明ming它ta競jing爭zheng力li比bi較jiao強qiang。所suo以yi我wo們men首shou先xian來lai分fen析xi,在zai我wo們men企qi業ye獲huo得de盈ying利li的de前qian提ti是shi因yin為wei壟long斷duan,還hai是shi因yin為wei確que實shi企qi業ye的de內nei在zai競jing爭zheng力li提ti高gao了le。我wo們men的de分fen析xi表biao明ming除chu了le少shao數shu行xing業ye,它ta的de盈ying利li產chan生sheng和he它ta的de壟long斷duan性xing有you相xiang當dang的de關guan係xi,確que實shi表biao明ming還hai有you一yi部bu分fen壟long斷duan性xing的de企qi業ye它ta利li潤run率lv高gao。
danshi,zhegewentizaizhongguoxianzaiyijingbushizhuyaodeqingkuang。ruguoshuozhegewentideqianjinianshizhuyaode,yinweiqianjinianligangyejiangle,womenhenduozhizaoqiyetadelirunlvzaixiajiang,zouruyigeweilishidai。zaiyigeshaoshulongduanxingdexingye,zhongjiandeqiyetabiaoxianchushangyouchanyehengaodeyinglilv,zhegeqingkuangzaizhubudegaibian。bujinshishangyouduanchanyeqiyedeyinglizaizengjia,zhongduande、下段的企業也有相當一部分的企業盈利在增加。
[金碚]:
erqiewomendefenxiyebiaoming。gaigekaifangyilai,zhongguogegexingyedeqiyedejingzhengxingzaizengqiang。bushiyinweilongduanerdaozhilirunzaizengjia,erqueshiyinweizaijingzhengxingzengqiangdebeijingxialirunzaizengchang,womenjiukeyiquequeshishidejiangqiyedejingzhenglizaizengqiang。dangran,yeyouyixieyinsushikenengheqiyejingzhenglibushizhijieyouguande,huozheshuoyinglilvbingbuzhijiefanyingqiyejingzhengli。birushuo,chiyouyuziyuandaliang,tourudi,duihuanjingbaohubiaozhunbijiaodi,zaifenpeideguochengzhongjian,qiyehuodedefenegenlaodongzhehuodedefenedebilishanggengduodeqingxiangyuqiye,name,tayehuibiaoxianqiyelirunlvgao。zhegeyinsuyeyou,yinggaishuoyinglidezhuangkuangbijiaohao,zheshiyigejielun。
第二個結論就是說這個盈利狀況的取得,主要還是在競爭的條件下,企業的競爭力有了普遍的提高;
第(di)三(san)個(ge)就(jiu)是(shi)說(shuo)確(que)實(shi)還(hai)有(you)一(yi)些(xie)行(xing)業(ye)中(zhong)間(jian)存(cun)在(zai)著(zhe)企(qi)業(ye)壟(long)斷(duan)利(li)比(bi)較(jiao)高(gao),當(dang)然(ran)這(zhe)是(shi)一(yi)個(ge)局(ju)部(bu)。再(zai)有(you)一(yi)個(ge)就(jiu)是(shi)在(zai)企(qi)業(ye)盈(ying)利(li)比(bi)較(jiao)高(gao)的(de),保(bao)證(zheng)它(ta)的(de)因(yin)素(su)中(zhong)間(jian),也(ye)有(you)一(yi)些(xie)是(shi)剛(gang)剛(gang)講(jiang)的(de),是(shi)其(qi)他(ta)的(de)因(yin)素(su)。這(zhe)是(shi)我(wo)們(men)分(fen)析(xi)的(de)一(yi)個(ge)基(ji)本(ben)的(de)結(jie)果(guo),一(yi)條(tiao)結(jie)論(lun)。又(you)有(you)很(hen)樂(le)觀(guan)的(de)方(fang)麵(mian),也(ye)看(kan)到(dao)了(le)中(zhong)國(guo)確(que)實(shi)還(hai)存(cun)在(zai)著(zhe)一(yi)些(xie)下(xia)一(yi)步(bu)繼(ji)續(xu)提(ti)高(gao)競(jing)爭(zheng)力(li)的(de)問(wen)題(ti)。
[中國網]:
剛gang才cai您nin談tan到dao企qi業ye競jing爭zheng的de時shi候hou,也ye談tan到dao有you的de時shi候hou是shi價jia格ge方fang麵mian的de相xiang互hu比bi拚pin,傳chuan統tong的de經jing濟ji學xue家jia在zai討tao論lun競jing爭zheng力li的de時shi候hou就jiu容rong易yi把ba它ta的de歸gui結jie到dao價jia格ge上shang去qu講jiang成cheng本ben、講價格,您認為價格因素在中國企業的競爭力當中起到的作用有多大?
[金碚]:
應(ying)該(gai)說(shuo)在(zai)中(zhong)國(guo)產(chan)業(ye)發(fa)展(zhan)或(huo)者(zhe)說(shuo)工(gong)業(ye)化(hua)的(de)一(yi)個(ge)相(xiang)當(dang)的(de)曆(li)史(shi)時(shi)期(qi),價(jia)格(ge)競(jing)爭(zheng)作(zuo)用(yong)是(shi)非(fei)常(chang)大(da)的(de)。因(yin)為(wei)那(na)個(ge)時(shi)候(hou)我(wo)們(men)產(chan)業(ye)跟(gen)國(guo)外(wai)競(jing)爭(zheng)也(ye)好(hao),企(qi)業(ye)競(jing)爭(zheng)也(ye)好(hao),主(zhu)要(yao)依(yi)賴(lai)的(de)是(shi)比(bi)較(jiao)優(you)勢(shi)。比(bi)較(jiao)優(you)勢(shi)的(de)本(ben)質(zhi)是(shi)成(cheng)本(ben)的(de)比(bi)較(jiao),就(jiu)是(shi)成(cheng)本(ben)低(di)。同(tong)類(lei)產(chan)品(pin)如(ru)果(guo)競(jing)爭(zheng)的(de)話(hua),那(na)就(jiu)要(yao)看(kan)誰(shui)的(de)成(cheng)本(ben)低(di),誰(shui)的(de)價(jia)格(ge)低(di)。怎(zen)麼(me)樣(yang)能(neng)夠(gou)使(shi)成(cheng)本(ben)價(jia)格(ge)低(di)呢(ne)?這(zhe)就(jiu)看(kan)你(ni)這(zhe)個(ge)國(guo)家(jia)什(shen)麼(me)資(zi)源(yuan)豐(feng)富(fu)?中(zhong)國(guo)最(zui)豐(feng)富(fu)的(de)有(you)勞(lao)動(dong)力(li),當(dang)然(ran)土(tu)地(di)也(ye)比(bi)較(jiao)多(duo)。那(na)麼(me)在(zai)這(zhe)種(zhong)情(qing)況(kuang)下(xia),就(jiu)會(hui)表(biao)現(xian)出(chu)誰(shui)的(de)土(tu)地(di)價(jia)格(ge)便(bian)宜(yi),誰(shui)的(de)勞(lao)動(dong)力(li)便(bian)宜(yi),那(na)麼(me)誰(shui)的(de)產(chan)品(pin)價(jia)格(ge)就(jiu)低(di)。
那na麼me我wo剛gang才cai講jiang什shen麼me叫jiao競jing爭zheng力li呢ne?就jiu是shi你ni能neng比bi你ni競jing爭zheng對dui手shou更geng有you效xiao的de方fang式shi,第di一yi,我wo價jia格ge比bi你ni低di,消xiao費fei者zhe一yi定ding願yuan意yi買mai物wu美mei價jia廉lian的de東dong西xi。那na麼me企qi業ye當dang然ran把ba價jia格ge作zuo為wei一yi種zhong競jing爭zheng手shou段duan,在zai相xiang當dang長chang的de曆li史shi時shi期qi內nei,它ta是shi很hen合he理li的de,很hen正zheng常chang的de。而er且qie,即ji使shi在zai將jiang來lai的de競jing爭zheng中zhong間jian,價jia格ge競jing爭zheng仍reng然ran是shi一yi個ge很hen重zhong要yao的de因yin素su。
但dan是shi,從cong經jing濟ji持chi續xu發fa展zhan的de過guo程cheng來lai講jiang,特te別bie是shi對dui於yu企qi業ye來lai講jiang,我wo們men不bu能neng夠gou長chang期qi的de或huo者zhe過guo分fen的de依yi賴lai於yu價jia格ge競jing爭zheng。如ru果guo過guo分fen的de依yi賴lai於yu價jia格ge競jing爭zheng,特te別bie是shi你ni壓ya低di了le要yao素su成cheng本ben,甚shen至zhi是shi要yao素su成cheng本ben沒mei有you獲huo得de合he理li的de價jia格ge,要yao素su就jiu報bao複fu土tu地di,報bao複fu勞lao動dong,也ye報bao複fu環huan境jing。我wo把ba它ta叫jiao做zuo“血拚”。看哪個的價格低,這樣也會影響企業或者產業持續的競爭力的保值和提升。中國經濟現在已經走到這個階段,就是價格競爭,或者講“價格血拚”為主的曆史時期。正在有過多的以創新來驅動的這樣一個競爭力的提升階段。[page_break]
[中國網]:
聽了您介紹,讓我們感覺到低價策略並不是完全可取的,您覺得它的局限取決於在哪些方麵?特別是國際的競爭上?
[金碚]:
競(jing)爭(zheng)力(li)低(di)的(de)話(hua),它(ta)會(hui)導(dao)致(zhi)壓(ya)製(zhi)要(yao)素(su)成(cheng)本(ben)。壓(ya)製(zhi)要(yao)素(su)成(cheng)本(ben)表(biao)現(xian)為(wei),就(jiu)是(shi)使(shi)得(de)你(ni)經(jing)營(ying)的(de)環(huan)境(jing)會(hui)越(yue)來(lai)越(yue)惡(e)化(hua)。比(bi)如(ru)說(shuo)環(huan)境(jing),比(bi)如(ru)說(shuo)低(di)價(jia)資(zi)源(yuan)的(de)投(tou)入(ru),再(zai)比(bi)如(ru)說(shuo)對(dui)勞(lao)工(gong)的(de)工(gong)資(zi),把(ba)它(ta)壓(ya)到(dao)很(hen)低(di),這(zhe)是(shi)第(di)一(yi)。
第(di)二(er),企(qi)業(ye)的(de)利(li)潤(run)率(lv)會(hui)越(yue)來(lai)越(yue)薄(bo)。大(da)家(jia)都(dou)靠(kao)價(jia)格(ge)低(di),越(yue)來(lai)越(yue)薄(bo)的(de)結(jie)果(guo)是(shi)企(qi)業(ye)用(yong)於(yu)技(ji)術(shu)進(jin)步(bu)用(yong)於(yu)創(chuang)新(xin)的(de)資(zi)源(yuan)會(hui)很(hen)少(shao)。企(qi)業(ye)沒(mei)有(you)能(neng)力(li)來(lai)進(jin)行(xing)經(jing)營(ying)創(chuang)新(xin),所(suo)以(yi)影(ying)響(xiang)你(ni)持(chi)續(xu)的(de)競(jing)爭(zheng)力(li),或(huo)者(zhe)說(shuo)影(ying)響(xiang)你(ni)持(chi)續(xu)的(de)盈(ying)利(li)能(neng)力(li)。你(ni)現(xian)在(zai)是(shi)用(yong)價(jia)格(ge)血(xue)拚(pin)來(lai)獲(huo)得(de)這(zhe)個(ge)利(li)潤(run)。但(dan)是(shi)你(ni)的(de)利(li)潤(run)會(hui)越(yue)來(lai)越(yue)少(shao)。我(wo)們(men)知(zhi)道(dao)產(chan)品(pin)之(zhi)間(jian)有(you)差(cha)異(yi)才(cai)有(you)更(geng)大(da)的(de)利(li)潤(run),如(ru)果(guo)兩(liang)個(ge)產(chan)品(pin)之(zhi)間(jian)沒(mei)有(you)差(cha)異(yi),同(tong)樣(yang)的(de)產(chan)品(pin),它(ta)們(men)唯(wei)一(yi)可(ke)以(yi)競(jing)爭(zheng)的(de)就(jiu)是(shi)價(jia)格(ge)。那(na)個(ge)時(shi)候(hou)就(jiu)比(bi)拚(pin)誰(shui)的(de)價(jia)格(ge)低(di),你(ni)拚(pin)我(wo)也(ye)拚(pin),技(ji)術(shu)創(chuang)新(xin)會(hui)影(ying)響(xiang)技(ji)術(shu)進(jin)步(bu),所(suo)以(yi)這(zhe)是(shi)一(yi)個(ge)很(hen)重(zhong)要(yao)的(de)負(fu)麵(mian)作(zuo)用(yong)。這(zhe)兩(liang)個(ge)負(fu)麵(mian)作(zuo)用(yong)在(zai)中(zhong)國(guo)都(dou)有(you)體(ti)現(xian)。一(yi)個(ge)就(jiu)是(shi)說(shuo)創(chuang)新(xin)的(de)投(tou)入(ru)不(bu)足(zu),價(jia)格(ge)水(shui)平(ping)太(tai)低(di)以(yi)後(hou),你(ni)技(ji)術(shu)創(chuang)新(xin)以(yi)後(hou),如(ru)果(guo)價(jia)格(ge)非(fei)常(chang)非(fei)常(chang)低(di)的(de)話(hua),它(ta)的(de)技(ji)術(shu)投(tou)入(ru)的(de)成(cheng)本(ben)也(ye)很(hen)難(nan)消(xiao)化(hua),你(ni)的(de)產(chan)品(pin)和(he)其(qi)他(ta)產(chan)品(pin)的(de)產(chan)業(ye)會(hui)很(hen)小(xiao)。
lingwaiyigefuzuoyongjiutixianzainixiangguanliyizhezhijiandeliyihuishoudaohendadesunshi,nikaojiagexuepin,niyadijiage,nijiuyidingyaoyadichengben,xuepindeqingkuangxia,yuelaiyuexiao,nizijiyemeiyouchuangxindenengli,ranhouniduiyuniyaosudetigongzhe,niyeyazhitamen,zuihoujiudaozhileziyuandelangfei,huanjingdepohuai,laogongquanyidesunshi。womeiyoulilianggeigongrentigaogongzi,yemeiyoulilianglaibaozhengbijiaohaodelaodongdetiaojianranggongrenpinmingdejiaban,zhezhongfangshilaishichanpindechengbendijiagedi,xianranniyesunshile。zongtilaijiangzhezhongjingyingfangshishibukechixude。
隻zhi要yao是shi競jing爭zheng一yi定ding有you價jia格ge競jing爭zheng,但dan如ru果guo你ni主zhu要yao依yi賴lai它ta的de話hua,那na麼me就jiu表biao明ming使shi得de企qi業ye持chi續xu的de競jing爭zheng力li就jiu不bu能neng夠gou形xing成cheng,也ye很hen難nan在zai國guo際ji上shang產chan生sheng有you很hen強qiang競jing爭zheng力li的de企qi業ye。因yin為wei企qi業ye是shi靠kao價jia格ge血xue拚pin,你ni沒mei有you自zi己ji的de技ji術shu,沒mei有you自zi己ji獨du特te的de產chan品pin,所suo以yi你ni隻zhi能neng靠kao價jia格ge低di的de產chan品pin,盡jin管guan你ni生sheng產chan的de很hen多duo。你ni想xiang這zhe樣yang的de企qi業ye長chang期qi來lai看kan,它ta不bu會hui成cheng為wei真zhen正zheng的de國guo際ji市shi場chang上shang的de強qiang者zhe。
[李鋼]:
今年我們藍皮書的主題是“企業盈利能力與競爭力”,去年我們的主題是“創新與企業能力”,我wo們men其qi實shi專zhuan門men有you研yan究jiu創chuang新xin和he競jing爭zheng力li的de關guan係xi。去qu年nian我wo們men得de出chu一yi個ge結jie論lun就jiu是shi說shuo剛gang才cai金jin老lao師shi在zai講jiang,中zhong國guo企qi業ye比bi較jiao傾qing向xiang於yu搞gao價jia格ge競jing爭zheng,我wo們men其qi實shi要yao問wen一yi個ge問wen題ti,為wei什shen麼me中zhong國guo企qi業ye傾qing向xiang於yu搞gao價jia格ge競jing爭zheng,而er不bu是shi去qu搞gao差cha異yi化hua創chuang新xin。為wei什shen麼me這zhe麼me多duo年nian講jiang中zhong國guo企qi業ye要yao創chuang新xin卻que一yi直zhi沒mei有you創chuang新xin。其qi實shi我wo們men去qu年nian有you一yi個ge比bi較jiao深shen入ru的de研yan究jiu,我wo們men一yi個ge大da致zhi的de結jie論lun就jiu是shi認ren為wei確que實shi是shi相xiang對dui來lai說shuo中zhong國guo老lao百bai姓xing,任ren何he一yi個ge國guo家jia老lao百bai姓xing都dou傾qing向xiang於yu物wu美mei價jia廉lian的de產chan品pin,但dan是shi中zhong國guo的de老lao百bai姓xing更geng加jia喜xi歡huan物wu美mei價jia廉lian的de產chan品pin。就jiu是shi說shuo,如ru果guo讓rang他ta在zai高gao價jia和he低di質zhi之zhi間jian有you一yi個ge權quan衡heng的de話hua,因yin為wei我wo知zhi道dao花hua更geng多duo的de錢qian去qu買mai更geng好hao的de產chan品pin。那na如ru果guo讓rang中zhong國guo老lao百bai姓xing做zuo一yi個ge取qu舍she,就jiu是shi說shuo你ni是shi花hua更geng多duo的de錢qian買mai更geng好hao的de產chan品pin,還hai是shi花hua更geng少shao的de錢qian買mai更geng差cha的de產chan品pin,我wo們men發fa現xian中zhong國guo老lao百bai姓xing傾qing向xiang於yu買mai一yi個ge價jia格ge低di一yi點dian質zhi量liang差cha一yi點dian的de產chan品pin,這zhe是shi一yi個ge問wen題ti。
[李鋼]:
另(ling)外(wai)一(yi)個(ge),從(cong)全(quan)球(qiu)來(lai)看(kan),中(zhong)國(guo)現(xian)在(zai)高(gao)端(duan)的(de)要(yao)素(su)可(ke)能(neng)比(bi)國(guo)外(wai)貴(gui),這(zhe)兩(liang)個(ge)因(yin)素(su)綜(zong)合(he)起(qi)來(lai),那(na)麼(me)會(hui)使(shi)中(zhong)國(guo)企(qi)業(ye)更(geng)加(jia)傾(qing)向(xiang)於(yu)搞(gao)一(yi)個(ge)價(jia)格(ge)的(de)競(jing)爭(zheng)。價(jia)格(ge)競(jing)爭(zheng)你(ni)還(hai)可(ke)以(yi)搞(gao)一(yi)個(ge)創(chuang)新(xin),就(jiu)是(shi)我(wo)搞(gao)一(yi)個(ge)技(ji)術(shu)上(shang)的(de)創(chuang)新(xin)來(lai)生(sheng)產(chan)更(geng)低(di)價(jia)格(ge)的(de)產(chan)品(pin),為(wei)什(shen)麼(me)中(zhong)國(guo)企(qi)業(ye)不(bu)傾(qing)向(xiang)於(yu)搞(gao)研(yan)發(fa)呢(ne)?我(wo)們(men)去(qu)年(nian)研(yan)究(jiu)的(de)結(jie)論(lun)還(hai)是(shi)認(ren)為(wei)中(zhong)國(guo)的(de)企(qi)業(ye)、中zhong國guo的de文wen化hua是shi比bi較jiao規gui避bi風feng險xian的de文wen化hua。這zhe種zhong文wen化hua下xia,如ru果guo沒mei有you一yi個ge製zhi度du上shang的de保bao證zheng,能neng夠gou使shi企qi業ye家jia有you一yi個ge願yuan意yi做zuo一yi種zhong長chang期qi投tou入ru。因yin為wei我wo知zhi道dao長chang期qi投tou入ru要yao很hen長chang時shi間jian才cai能neng取qu得de結jie果guo。如ru果guo要yao是shi使shi企qi業ye家jia都dou很hen規gui避bi風feng險xian的de話hua,那na這zhe種zhong創chuang新xin的de投tou入ru可ke能neng也ye是shi不bu足zu的de。
[中國網]:
剛gang才cai我wo們men一yi直zhi在zai聊liao企qi業ye競jing爭zheng力li,其qi實shi產chan業ye競jing爭zheng力li也ye是shi大da家jia關guan注zhu的de熱re門men詞ci彙hui。金jin所suo長chang產chan業ye競jing爭zheng力li和he企qi業ye競jing爭zheng力li它ta們men兩liang個ge之zhi間jian是shi什shen麼me樣yang的de關guan係xi呢ne?
[金碚]:
簡(jian)單(dan)的(de)說(shuo)產(chan)業(ye)是(shi)企(qi)業(ye)的(de)集(ji)合(he),企(qi)業(ye)是(shi)一(yi)個(ge)個(ge)體(ti),產(chan)業(ye)就(jiu)是(shi)一(yi)個(ge)集(ji)合(he)體(ti)。比(bi)如(ru)說(shuo)我(wo)們(men)講(jiang)紡(fang)織(zhi)產(chan)業(ye),那(na)麼(me)實(shi)際(ji)上(shang)就(jiu)是(shi)指(zhi)所(suo)有(you)的(de)紡(fang)織(zhi)企(qi)業(ye)的(de)一(yi)個(ge)結(jie)合(he)體(ti)。那(na)麼(me),從(cong)我(wo)們(men)研(yan)究(jiu)競(jing)爭(zheng)力(li)的(de)角(jiao)度(du)來(lai)講(jiang),從(cong)我(wo)們(men)的(de)研(yan)究(jiu)順(shun)序(xu)來(lai)講(jiang),其(qi)實(shi)我(wo)們(men)最(zui)早(zao)研(yan)究(jiu)的(de)是(shi)產(chan)業(ye)競(jing)爭(zheng)力(li)。就(jiu)是(shi)我(wo)們(men)把(ba)企(qi)業(ye)先(xian)作(zuo)為(wei)一(yi)個(ge)整(zheng)體(ti),是(shi)從(cong)它(ta)一(yi)個(ge)整(zheng)體(ti)的(de)狀(zhuang)況(kuang)。而(er)且(qie)從(cong)它(ta)的(de)競(jing)爭(zheng)力(li)來(lai)講(jiang),對(dui)於(yu)它(ta)的(de)產(chan)業(ye)競(jing)爭(zheng)力(li)的(de)分(fen)析(xi),有(you)比(bi)較(jiao)成(cheng)熟(shu)一(yi)些(xie)的(de)分(fen)析(xi)理(li)論(lun)的(de)工(gong)具(ju)。就(jiu)是(shi)我(wo)們(men)對(dui)使(shi)用(yong)產(chan)業(ye)競(jing)爭(zheng)學(xue)產(chan)業(ye)組(zu)織(zhi)理(li)論(lun)這(zhe)樣(yang)一(yi)種(zhong)方(fang)式(shi)來(lai)分(fen)析(xi)產(chan)業(ye)的(de)競(jing)爭(zheng)力(li)。
name,chanyeshiqiyedejieheti。birushuofangzhiyezhongguoshibushiqiang?gangtieyeshibushiqiang?congzhongguodeyigebijiaoyoushilaikan,zhongguolaodonglibijiaofengfu,anzhaochanyejingjidelilun,tongchangqingkuangxia,shiyinweilaodongmijixingdeqiyechanyehuibijiaojuyoujingzhengli。danshichanyejingzhenglibijingshiyigejieheti,dangwomenhuodeleguanyuchanyejingzhenglideyifanlilunfenxidejieguozhihou,dajiajiuxiwangjinyibulailejiegouchengzhegechanyedegeti,jiushiqiyedejingzhenglizhuangkuangzenmeyang?qiyejingzhenglizhuangkuang,yifangmianyeshoudaonichanyebenshenjingzhenglideyingxiangdejueding。lingwaiyifang,gegeqiyeyeyouxingchengzijijingzhenglideqitayinsu。
[金碚]:
不(bu)是(shi)說(shuo),因(yin)為(wei)中(zhong)國(guo)比(bi)較(jiao)優(you)勢(shi)的(de)原(yuan)因(yin),中(zhong)國(guo)的(de)紡(fang)織(zhi)業(ye)產(chan)業(ye)競(jing)爭(zheng)力(li)比(bi)較(jiao)強(qiang),所(suo)以(yi)所(suo)有(you)的(de)紡(fang)織(zhi)業(ye)企(qi)業(ye)競(jing)爭(zheng)力(li)都(dou)比(bi)較(jiao)強(qiang),不(bu)是(shi)這(zhe)樣(yang)的(de)。那(na)麼(me),我(wo)們(men)要(yao)看(kan),即(ji)使(shi)在(zai)中(zhong)國(guo)競(jing)爭(zheng)力(li)比(bi)較(jiao)強(qiang)的(de)中(zhong)間(jian),比(bi)如(ru)說(shuo)紡(fang)織(zhi)業(ye)中(zhong)間(jian),哪(na)些(xie)企(qi)業(ye)競(jing)爭(zheng)力(li)比(bi)較(jiao)強(qiang),哪(na)些(xie)企(qi)業(ye)競(jing)爭(zheng)力(li)比(bi)較(jiao)弱(ruo)。即(ji)使(shi)是(shi)中(zhong)國(guo)競(jing)爭(zheng)力(li)比(bi)較(jiao)弱(ruo)的(de)行(xing)業(ye),也(ye)會(hui)有(you)競(jing)爭(zheng)比(bi)較(jiao)強(qiang)的(de)企(qi)業(ye)。
birushuowomencongchanyejingjilaifenxidehua,zhongguodeqichechanyeshibijiaoruode,danshibingbubiaomingzaizhongguodeqichexingyejiumeiyouxiangduibijiaoqiangdeqiye。suoyichanyejingzhengliheqiyejingzhenglishijiyouhenmiqiedeguanxi,youyouchayi。tebieshiqiyejingzhenglideyanjiu,haiyaoshenrudaoqiyedeneibu。jiushishuofenxiqiyedeguanlizhuangkuang,shenzhizaishenrukeyifenxidaoqiyedewenhuatezhengdengdeng,tahuibichanyejingzhengligengjiadeshenrudaojutidejingjicengmian。[page_break]
[中國網]:
越往下走難度越大?
[金碚]:
對,越往下走難度越大。那麼,從我們的研究來講,從企業的經營的要求來講,也希望能夠得到更多的、更具體的競爭力分析和監測結果為他們服務。我們下麵的宗旨也是這麼考慮的。
[中國網]:
我們節目在進行的過程當中很多網友發來提問,這個網友說:黨(dang)中(zhong)央(yang)提(ti)出(chu)科(ke)學(xue)發(fa)展(zhan)觀(guan)的(de)戰(zhan)略(lve)思(si)想(xiang),要(yao)求(qiu)加(jia)強(qiang)能(neng)源(yuan)資(zi)源(yuan)節(jie)約(yue),請(qing)問(wen)產(chan)業(ye)競(jing)爭(zheng)力(li)與(yu)資(zi)源(yuan)和(he)能(neng)源(yuan)具(ju)有(you)哪(na)些(xie)關(guan)係(xi)呢(ne)?請(qing)金(jin)所(suo)長(chang)為(wei)我(wo)們(men)解(jie)答(da)一(yi)下(xia)。
[金碚]:
這zhe個ge關guan係xi越yue來lai越yue密mi切qie。我wo前qian麵mian講jiang過guo,中zhong國guo在zai前qian一yi個ge階jie段duan的de工gong業ye化hua過guo程cheng中zhong間jian是shi一yi個ge血xue拚pin式shi的de競jing爭zheng方fang式shi,它ta的de特te點dian就jiu是shi資zi源yuan大da量liang的de投tou入ru,包bao括kuo能neng源yuan,而er且qie是shi低di價jia格ge的de資zi源yuan,對dui於yu環huan境jing的de願yuan意yi付fu出chu更geng大da的de代dai價jia。就jiu是shi我wo們men的de環huan境jing標biao準zhun很hen低di,我wo們men對dui環huan境jing質zhi量liang的de要yao求qiu可ke以yi放fang低di,這zhe樣yang來lai保bao證zheng我wo們men的de企qi業ye能neng夠gou具ju有you競jing爭zheng力li。這zhe個ge階jie段duan我wo們men走zou過guo了le20多年。
應該說,這20多(duo)年(nian)確(que)實(shi)用(yong)這(zhe)種(zhong)方(fang)式(shi)對(dui)於(yu)企(qi)業(ye)競(jing)爭(zheng)力(li)的(de)提(ti)升(sheng)產(chan)生(sheng)了(le)一(yi)定(ding)的(de)作(zuo)用(yong),但(dan)是(shi)這(zhe)個(ge)是(shi)不(bu)可(ke)持(chi)續(xu)的(de)。能(neng)源(yuan)會(hui)越(yue)來(lai)越(yue)短(duan)缺(que),價(jia)格(ge)會(hui)越(yue)來(lai)越(yue)高(gao),而(er)且(qie)環(huan)境(jing)的(de)破(po)壞(huai)有(you)的(de)是(shi)不(bu)可(ke)恢(hui)複(fu)的(de)。那(na)麼(me)就(jiu)威(wei)脅(xie)到(dao)人(ren)類(lei)的(de)生(sheng)存(cun),你(ni)把(ba)最(zui)基(ji)本(ben)的(de)環(huan)境(jing)給(gei)破(po)壞(huai)了(le)。特(te)別(bie)是(shi)對(dui)一(yi)些(xie)生(sheng)態(tai)環(huan)境(jing)成(cheng)長(chang)能(neng)力(li)比(bi)較(jiao)脆(cui)弱(ruo)的(de)地(di)區(qu),如(ru)果(guo)因(yin)為(wei)你(ni)工(gong)業(ye)的(de)發(fa)展(zhan)破(po)壞(huai)了(le)那(na)樣(yang)的(de)環(huan)境(jing),會(hui)造(zao)成(cheng)非(fei)常(chang)嚴(yan)重(zhong)的(de)後(hou)果(guo)。所(suo)以(yi),在(zai)這(zhe)種(zhong)情(qing)況(kuang)下(xia),提(ti)出(chu)科(ke)學(xue)發(fa)展(zhan)觀(guan)是(shi)非(fei)常(chang)及(ji)時(shi)的(de)。
科學發展觀就是說我既要發展,但是又要科學發展。所謂科學發展就是你要考慮到能源、huanjingdezhichengnengli,nibunengpohuaihuanjing,bunengdaliangdehaofeinengyuan,niyebunengkaowoqianmianjiangde,wuxianzhidelaiyadilaodongzhedeshouru。kexuefazhanguanjiangyirenweiben,nifazhanbenshenbushimude,zaoqichenibenshenbushimude,nizuihoudemudeshiyoulianghaodehuanjing,shirangrenmindazhongshouyi。suoyizaizhezhongqingkuangxia,dajiadoukeyixiangxiangdedao,niguoquqiyedejingzhengli,nizengjingyilaidedongxi,xianzaifazhanyigebianhua,yaoqiunibunengnamehaofeidijiagedenengyuan,yaojieyuenengyuan。jieyuenengyuanbujinshishuonengyuan、資源的節約,而且要影響到期後。比如說你要排放,排放汙染的氣體,影響到大氣,這種情況下,你要減少排放,減少能源的消耗;
第二、你生產的過程中環境的標準要提高。同時,對工人的工資、待(dai)遇(yu)也(ye)要(yao)提(ti)高(gao),這(zhe)個(ge)東(dong)西(xi)大(da)家(jia)可(ke)以(yi)想(xiang)像(xiang),它(ta)最(zui)後(hou)反(fan)映(ying)在(zai)如(ru)果(guo)你(ni)企(qi)業(ye)不(bu)進(jin)行(xing)創(chuang)造(zao),沒(mei)有(you)技(ji)術(shu)進(jin)步(bu)的(de)話(hua),它(ta)意(yi)味(wei)著(zhe)你(ni)過(guo)去(qu)的(de)要(yao)素(su)成(cheng)本(ben)都(dou)提(ti)高(gao)了(le)。所(suo)以(yi),它(ta)對(dui)企(qi)業(ye)競(jing)爭(zheng)力(li)又(you)進(jin)行(xing)很(hen)大(da)的(de)挑(tiao)戰(zhan)。我(wo)們(men)今(jin)天(tian)講(jiang),你(ni)現(xian)在(zai)能(neng)掙(zheng)到(dao)這(zhe)麼(me)多(duo)錢(qian),這(zhe)麼(me)多(duo)盈(ying)利(li),當(dang)要(yao)求(qiu)你(ni)節(jie)能(neng)減(jian)排(pai),要(yao)求(qiu)你(ni)保(bao)護(hu)環(huan)境(jing),要(yao)求(qiu)你(ni)維(wei)護(hu)勞(lao)工(gong)權(quan)益(yi)的(de)前(qian)提(ti)下(xia),你(ni)還(hai)能(neng)保(bao)持(chi)這(zhe)個(ge)盈(ying)利(li)能(neng)力(li)嗎(ma)?這(zhe)是(shi)對(dui)企(qi)業(ye)的(de)一(yi)個(ge)挑(tiao)戰(zhan)。那(na)麼(me),企(qi)業(ye)唯(wei)一(yi)的(de)辦(ban)法(fa)就(jiu)是(shi)說(shuo)要(yao)繼(ji)續(xu)提(ti)高(gao)自(zi)身(shen)內(nei)在(zai)的(de)競(jing)爭(zheng)能(neng)力(li)。
[中國網]:
這個網友的第二提問是:如何通過加強能源資源對生態的保護來增強產業競爭力?
[金碚]:
這(zhe)是(shi)一(yi)個(ge)從(cong)整(zheng)體(ti)上(shang)來(lai)講(jiang),發(fa)展(zhan)和(he)環(huan)境(jing)是(shi)一(yi)個(ge)辯(bian)證(zheng)的(de)關(guan)係(xi)。因(yin)為(wei)能(neng)源(yuan)的(de)耗(hao)費(fei)實(shi)際(ji)上(shang)也(ye)是(shi)對(dui)物(wu)質(zhi)資(zi)源(yuan)的(de)耗(hao)費(fei),既(ji)是(shi)資(zi)源(yuan)問(wen)題(ti),又(you)是(shi)環(huan)境(jing)問(wen)題(ti)。總(zong)而(er)言(yan)之(zhi),就(jiu)是(shi)環(huan)境(jing)資(zi)源(yuan)和(he)經(jing)濟(ji)發(fa)展(zhan)的(de)關(guan)係(xi),這(zhe)是(shi)一(yi)個(ge)很(hen)辯(bian)證(zheng)的(de)關(guan)係(xi)。應(ying)該(gai)說(shuo)在(zai)不(bu)同(tong)的(de)經(jing)濟(ji)發(fa)展(zhan)階(jie)段(duan),它(ta)們(men)的(de)關(guan)係(xi)是(shi)有(you)所(suo)變(bian)化(hua)的(de)。在(zai)經(jing)濟(ji)發(fa)展(zhan)的(de)比(bi)較(jiao)初(chu)期(qi)的(de)階(jie)段(duan),一(yi)般(ban)來(lai)說(shuo),人(ren)們(men)更(geng)重(zhong)視(shi)發(fa)展(zhan),沒(mei)有(you)發(fa)展(zhan)什(shen)麼(me)問(wen)題(ti)都(dou)解(jie)決(jue)不(bu)了(le)。但(dan)是(shi),發(fa)展(zhan)到(dao)一(yi)定(ding)階(jie)段(duan)時(shi)候(hou),環(huan)境(jing)、資源問題會變得越來越重要。所以,企業就越來越要解決這個問題,在人們對於資源、環境的評價或者它的價值越來越高的情況下,你企業怎麼樣維持持續的發展?這樣一個態勢。國家也是這樣的。
那(na)麼(me),我(wo)們(men)看(kan)到(dao)環(huan)境(jing)和(he)企(qi)業(ye)的(de)發(fa)展(zhan)是(shi)什(shen)麼(me)關(guan)係(xi)呢(ne)?我(wo)們(men)簡(jian)單(dan)的(de)說(shuo),從(cong)長(chang)遠(yuan)來(lai)看(kan),它(ta)們(men)應(ying)該(gai)是(shi)一(yi)致(zhi)的(de)。因(yin)為(wei),發(fa)展(zhan)從(cong)長(chang)遠(yuan)來(lai)講(jiang),一(yi)個(ge)良(liang)心(xin)的(de)發(fa)展(zhan)是(shi)有(you)利(li)於(yu)資(zi)源(yuan)問(wen)題(ti)的(de)解(jie)決(jue),有(you)利(li)於(yu)環(huan)境(jing)的(de)改(gai)善(shan)。但(dan)是(shi),在(zai)一(yi)定(ding)的(de)時(shi)期(qi),在(zai)一(yi)定(ding)的(de)技(ji)術(shu)條(tiao)件(jian)下(xia),你(ni)技(ji)術(shu)條(tiao)件(jian)達(da)不(bu)到(dao)的(de)時(shi)候(hou),環(huan)境(jing)和(he)發(fa)展(zhan)是(shi)會(hui)產(chan)生(sheng)矛(mao)盾(dun)的(de)。就(jiu)是(shi)說(shuo),沒(mei)有(you)工(gong)業(ye)發(fa)展(zhan)的(de)不(bu)影(ying)響(xiang)的(de),它(ta)一(yi)定(ding)有(you)影(ying)響(xiang)環(huan)境(jing)。就(jiu)是(shi)你(ni)用(yong)什(shen)麼(me)樣(yang)的(de)技(ji)術(shu),那(na)麼(me)兩(liang)者(zhe)產(chan)生(sheng)矛(mao)盾(dun)的(de)時(shi)候(hou),我(wo)們(men)在(zai)政(zheng)治(zhi)上(shang)需(xu)要(yao)高(gao)度(du)權(quan)衡(heng)的(de)問(wen)題(ti)。
[金碚]:
一yi方fang麵mian中zhong國guo走zou到dao這zhe步bu應ying該gai非fei常chang重zhong視shi環huan境jing問wen題ti,但dan是shi我wo們men同tong時shi要yao考kao慮lv到dao中zhong國guo是shi發fa展zhan中zhong國guo家jia,發fa展zhan還hai是shi第di一yi要yao務wu。你ni不bu發fa展zhan環huan境jing問wen題ti解jie決jue不bu了le,你ni要yao發fa展zhan對dui環huan境jing一yi定ding會hui有you影ying響xiang。所suo以yi在zai這zhe種zhong情qing況kuang下xia,我wo們men在zai政zheng策ce上shang有you一yi個ge高gao度du的de權quan衡heng。就jiu是shi說shuo,既ji要yao實shi現xian發fa展zhan,同tong時shi又you要yao高gao度du的de重zhong視shi環huan境jing。那na麼me,具ju體ti來lai講jiang,就jiu是shi說shuo我wo們men在zai政zheng策ce上shang應ying該gai對dui於yu環huan境jing保bao護hu、對(dui)於(yu)資(zi)源(yuan)節(jie)約(yue)有(you)一(yi)個(ge)適(shi)合(he)中(zhong)國(guo)現(xian)實(shi)國(guo)情(qing)的(de)一(yi)個(ge)科(ke)學(xue)標(biao)準(zhun)。我(wo)不(bu)是(shi)說(shuo)環(huan)境(jing)標(biao)準(zhun)越(yue)來(lai)越(yue)高(gao),越(yue)高(gao)越(yue)好(hao)。中(zhong)國(guo)現(xian)在(zai)開(kai)始(shi)就(jiu)應(ying)該(gai)發(fa)展(zhan)跟(gen)全(quan)世(shi)界(jie)要(yao)求(qiu),跟(gen)美(mei)國(guo)、歐洲一樣,你們也減少排放,承擔排放的國際義務。
但dan是shi,我wo們men確que實shi要yao看kan到dao這zhe個ge問wen題ti不bu僅jin對dui於yu世shi界jie來lai講jiang,對dui於yu中zhong國guo來lai講jiang也ye是shi很hen重zhong要yao的de,所suo以yi我wo們men要yao有you一yi個ge非fei常chang適shi當dang的de政zheng策ce選xuan擇ze,使shi得de又you能neng夠gou保bao持chi中zhong國guo經jing濟ji的de發fa展zhan,同tong時shi又you要yao能neng夠gou把ba對dui於yu環huan境jing的de破po壞huai對dui於yu資zi源yuan的de消xiao耗hao能neng夠gou堅jian決jue的de控kong製zhi在zai中zhong國guo可ke以yi承cheng受shou的de範fan圍wei的de限xian度du之zhi內nei。不bu能neng到dao了le將jiang來lai不bu可ke收shou拾shi這zhe不bu行xing,所suo以yi這zhe是shi一yi個ge很hen辯bian證zheng的de關guan係xi。
womencongchangyuanlaikan,zheliangzheyinggaishiyizhide,womenyinggaiquxunzhaozheliangzhedeyizhixing,womenxianzaiyebunenggouguofendeqiangtiaozheliangzhedemaodun。zheliangzheshiyoumaodunde,fazhangongyemeiyoubuyingxianghuanjingde。name,guodudeyingxianghuanjing,yidinghuiyingxiangfazhan,yinweinichengbenhuihengaode,womenbunengkandaoliangzhezhijiandemaodun,womenxianzaiyaoxunzhaoliangzhezhijiandeyizhixing。jinkuaixunzhaohuanjinghegongyefangmianliangxingdexunhuan,zheyejiushidajiataolunde,zhongguoyaobuyaozouzhonghuagongyedeyigehexinwenti。zhonghuagongyeconghuanjinglaishuo,tayaoxiaohaozhege,tayaoyingxianghuanjing,womenshuobugaozhonghuaxingye,qishiyejiejuebule。suoyiwomenxianzaiyexunzhaoshidefazhanhehuanjingziyuannenggouxiangyizhideyitiaodaolu,zhongguogongyehuadeyigezhongdadeketi。[page_break]
[中國網]:
要提高產業的競爭力除了企業自身要增加競爭力以外,還要政府要製定標準以外,在您看來政府還能做一些什麼?還應該做一些什麼?
[金碚]:
chanyejingzhenglitigaozuizuizhongyaodeyitiao,jingzhenglilaiyuanyujingzheng,meiyoujingzhengshimeiyoujingzhenglide,suoyijingzhenglideqiantishizaiyigejingzhengdehuanjingxia,zaiyigejingzhenghekaifangdehuanjingxia,womencailaitanzhegejingzhengli。suoyizhengfuzuodediyigezuizhongyaodewentishi,yaogoujianyigegongpingjingzhengdeshichanghuanjing。rangqiyeyougengdadeziyouhexuanzequan,zhegeshigenben。ruguomeiyouzhege,birushuowomenjiangxinjiapo,xinjiapozhengfuduizhegeshibijiaoyande,danshishijieshanggongrenxinjiaposhiyigeshichang、企業最自由的國家之一。所以,它的企業競爭力很強。中國也是,中國第一件事情構建一個公平競爭;
第二、就jiu是shi說shuo要yao使shi市shi場chang的de交jiao易yi成cheng本ben要yao盡jin可ke能neng的de低di。當dang然ran,這zhe兩liang條tiao也ye不bu會hui唯wei一yi的de,這zhe兩liang條tiao我wo們men講jiang公gong平ping競jing爭zheng和he產chan業ye競jing爭zheng。但dan是shi這zhe也ye不bu是shi政zheng府fu唯wei一yi職zhi責ze,政zheng府fu還hai要yao為wei競jing爭zheng的de市shi場chang製zhi定ding公gong平ping的de規gui則ze。大da家jia都dou要yao遵zun守shou這zhe個ge規gui則ze。特te別bie是shi在zai剛gang才cai你ni講jiang的de環huan境jing啊a、節jie能neng啊a還hai有you勞lao工gong權quan益yi等deng等deng方fang麵mian。這zhe個ge東dong西xi也ye不bu能neng夠gou說shuo無wu限xian度du的de自zi由you,自zi由you能neng夠gou帶dai來lai競jing爭zheng,但dan是shi也ye不bu能neng沒mei有you秩zhi序xu。所suo以yi政zheng府fu要yao規gui定ding一yi個ge比bi較jiao可ke行xing的de一yi個ge規gui則ze,讓rang大da家jia在zai一yi個ge有you規gui則ze的de情qing況kuang下xia來lai進jin行xing競jing爭zheng。
disanzhongguohaishiyigefazhanzhongguojia,zhongguozhengfuzaitishengqiyejingzhenglideguochengzhongjianhaikeyizuohenduolaizhichiqiye。bangzhuqiyedezheyangyixiegongzuo,jiushibangzhuqiyejishujinbu,chuangxina,bangzhuqiyenenggouzenmeyangnenggouzouxiangguojishichangdejingzheng。tebieshibangzhuzhongxiaoqiye,yougengduodezhongxiaoqiyenenggougenghaodelaijingying。zongtilaishuo,jiushizhengfuyinggaiduozuozhefangmiangongzuo。shouxianshirangqiyejingzheng,ranhouzhidingguize,ranhouzaishidangdeshihouzhengfuyinggaibangzhuyouxieqiye。
特(te)別(bie)是(shi)我(wo)強(qiang)調(tiao)的(de)中(zhong)小(xiao)型(xing)企(qi)業(ye),政(zheng)府(fu)要(yao)製(zhi)定(ding)政(zheng)策(ce)來(lai)幫(bang)助(zhu)它(ta)們(men),在(zai)競(jing)爭(zheng)過(guo)程(cheng)中(zhong)它(ta)們(men)在(zai)競(jing)爭(zheng)過(guo)程(cheng)中(zhong)相(xiang)對(dui)於(yu)弱(ruo)小(xiao),特(te)別(bie)是(shi)一(yi)些(xie)規(gui)則(ze)很(hen)可(ke)能(neng)是(shi)對(dui)中(zhong)小(xiao)企(qi)業(ye)不(bu)利(li)的(de)。比(bi)如(ru)環(huan)境(jing)標(biao)準(zhun)、jishubiaozhundengdeng,jinrushezhichanyedemenkanwangwangshibazhongxiaoqiyeguanzaiwaimian,zhegebuliyujingzheng。zhengfujiangwoyuanyiyouzhegeguize,niyidingyaobangzhunaxiejingzhengzhongjianderuozhe。jingzhengzhezhijiandeshilinenggoujinkenengrangtashijunlidi,zhegeshihouzuiyouyouliyujingzhenglidetigao。biruzhengfushuonikeyigannibukeyigan,tayemeijingzhengli。
[金碚]:
womencaiqulefuyoufuqiangdezhengce,womendangshiyeshuonibuyaokanrenjiayoule,zhongguodeqiyegenwaiguoqiyegenbenbunengbi,womenyinggaizuodazuoqiang,niyueqiangyueyouwoyuefuni。zhegezaiyidingdejieduanzhegezhengceshikeyiyongde。suoyi,womencaiqulehenduoyouhuizhengce,niyuehaowoyueduiniyouhui,rangnichengweigengqiangdejingzhengzhuti,zhezhongjieduanhezhengceworenweiyedaolegaibiandeshihou。qiangzhebuyongzaifule,tazijijiuqiangle。ruguotahaiyaonifudeshihoutayidingbushihenqiang。guoququeshiwomendeqiangzheyebuhenqiangdeshihouzhengfuyeyinggaifuyoufuqiang,zhengfuyinggaifunaxiezhongxiaoqiye,fuchinaxieqiyejingzhengzhongderuozhe,ranggengduodeqiangzhechuxian。
這(zhe)種(zhong)競(jing)爭(zheng)政(zheng)策(ce)我(wo)認(ren)為(wei)當(dang)然(ran)這(zhe)並(bing)不(bu)是(shi)競(jing)爭(zheng)的(de)主(zhu)題(ti),也(ye)是(shi)中(zhong)國(guo)競(jing)爭(zheng)政(zheng)策(ce)也(ye)到(dao)了(le)一(yi)個(ge)需(xu)要(yao)轉(zhuan)換(huan)的(de)時(shi)候(hou)。特(te)別(bie)是(shi)我(wo)們(men)在(zai)強(qiang)調(tiao)科(ke)學(xue)發(fa)展(zhan)觀(guan),特(te)別(bie)是(shi)我(wo)們(men)在(zai)強(qiang)調(tiao)資(zi)源(yuan)環(huan)境(jing)的(de)時(shi)候(hou),這(zhe)個(ge)問(wen)題(ti)也(ye)應(ying)該(gai)引(yin)起(qi)高(gao)度(du)的(de)重(zhong)視(shi)。就(jiu)是(shi)我(wo)們(men)科(ke)學(xue)發(fa)展(zhan)觀(guan)是(shi)非(fei)常(chang)重(zhong)要(yao)的(de),這(zhe)個(ge)資(zi)源(yuan)環(huan)境(jing)問(wen)題(ti)也(ye)是(shi)非(fei)常(chang)重(zhong)要(yao)的(de)。但(dan)是(shi)你(ni)非(fei)常(chang)重(zhong)要(yao),政(zheng)府(fu)在(zai)幹(gan)預(yu)的(de)時(shi)候(hou)製(zhi)定(ding)的(de)一(yi)係(xi)列(lie)政(zheng)策(ce),最(zui)後(hou)你(ni)政(zheng)策(ce)的(de)效(xiao)果(guo)是(shi)什(shen)麼(me)呢(ne)?你(ni)政(zheng)策(ce)效(xiao)果(guo)是(shi)有(you)利(li)於(yu)更(geng)公(gong)平(ping)的(de)競(jing)爭(zheng)呢(ne),還(hai)是(shi)不(bu)利(li)於(yu)公(gong)平(ping)競(jing)爭(zheng)呢(ne),這(zhe)個(ge)差(cha)距(ju)就(jiu)很(hen)大(da)。那(na)麼(me),我(wo)想(xiang)中(zhong)國(guo)作(zuo)為(wei)一(yi)個(ge)明(ming)智(zhi)的(de)企(qi)業(ye)它(ta)又(you)要(yao)解(jie)決(jue)環(huan)境(jing)資(zi)源(yuan)問(wen)題(ti),又(you)要(yao)能(neng)夠(gou)使(shi)得(de)市(shi)場(chang)競(jing)爭(zheng)能(neng)夠(gou)充(chong)分(fen),能(neng)夠(gou)比(bi)較(jiao)自(zi)由(you)。而(er)且(qie),要(yao)去(qu)讓(rang)弱(ruo)者(zhe)也(ye)有(you)機(ji)會(hui)來(lai)參(can)與(yu)競(jing)爭(zheng)。這(zhe)樣(yang)子(zi)中(zhong)國(guo)從(cong)長(chang)遠(yuan)來(lai)看(kan),競(jing)爭(zheng)力(li)才(cai)會(hui)提(ti)高(gao)。所(suo)以(yi)歸(gui)根(gen)到(dao)底(di)還(hai)是(shi)那(na)句(ju)話(hua),競(jing)爭(zheng)力(li)來(lai)源(yuan)於(yu)競(jing)爭(zheng),不(bu)競(jing)爭(zheng)沒(mei)有(you)競(jing)爭(zheng)力(li)。
[中國網]:
剛gang剛gang我wo們men一yi直zhi在zai聊liao企qi業ye的de盈ying利li能neng力li和he企qi業ye的de競jing爭zheng力li,金jin所suo長chang在zai您nin看kan來lai中zhong國guo企qi業ye的de盈ying利li能neng力li的de現xian狀zhuang和he他ta可ke持chi續xu發fa展zhan狀zhuang況kuang是shi怎zen樣yang的de?為wei我wo們men大da家jia介jie紹shao一yi下xia。
[金碚]:
應(ying)該(gai)說(shuo)這(zhe)是(shi)一(yi)個(ge)好(hao)的(de)階(jie)段(duan)。我(wo)們(men)從(cong)上(shang)個(ge)世(shi)紀(ji)末(mo)到(dao)這(zhe)個(ge)世(shi)紀(ji)初(chu)經(jing)過(guo)一(yi)個(ge)微(wei)利(li)時(shi)期(qi),進(jin)入(ru)了(le)一(yi)個(ge)企(qi)業(ye)盈(ying)利(li)普(pu)遍(bian)上(shang)升(sheng)的(de)階(jie)段(duan),這(zhe)個(ge)階(jie)段(duan)表(biao)明(ming)中(zhong)國(guo)的(de)企(qi)業(ye)競(jing)爭(zheng)力(li)提(ti)高(gao)。那(na)麼(me),下(xia)一(yi)步(bu)會(hui)怎(zen)麼(me)樣(yang)呢(ne)?下(xia)一(yi)步(bu)應(ying)該(gai)說(shuo)有(you)有(you)利(li)的(de)方(fang)麵(mian),也(ye)有(you)不(bu)利(li)的(de)方(fang)麵(mian)。對(dui)於(yu)企(qi)業(ye)盈(ying)利(li)來(lai)說(shuo),有(you)利(li)的(de)方(fang)麵(mian)是(shi)第(di)一(yi)企(qi)業(ye)競(jing)爭(zheng)力(li)增(zeng)強(qiang),企(qi)業(ye)能(neng)力(li)在(zai)增(zeng)強(qiang);
第二、jiushiqiyejingzhengdekongjiankuoda。guoquwomenzaiguoneibijiaoxiaxiao,xianzaiwomenkeyidaoguowai。guoquzhuyaoshizaishengchanlingyu,ranhoukuodadaoshichangyingxiaolingyu。xianzaikeyikuodadaozibenlingyu,kuodadaoguojijingzhengdelingyu。qiyedekongjianxunzhaochanshengyinglidekongjian,queshizaikuoda。
第三、中國的產業升級進入到一個比較好的階段。過去我們比較弱的產業,比如說機械啊、電dian子zi啊a,甚shen至zhi是shi一yi些xie重zhong工gong業ye,甚shen至zhi是shi資zi本ben產chan業ye的de資zi本ben,現xian在zai競jing爭zheng力li明ming顯xian在zai提ti高gao。競jing爭zheng力li提ti升sheng的de結jie果guo,當dang然ran它ta的de盈ying利li能neng力li比bi較jiao強qiang。這zhe也ye是shi有you利li的de,總zong之zhi有you很hen多duo有you利li方fang麵mian。當dang然ran也ye有you很hen嚴yan重zhong的de挑tiao戰zhan,第di一yi是shi經jing營ying的de風feng險xian性xing在zai增zeng強qiang;你ni空kong間jian越yue大da,過guo去qu是shi生sheng產chan,現xian在zai不bu僅jin要yao生sheng產chan,然ran後hou要yao營ying銷xiao,開kai拓tuo市shi場chang,這zhe個ge當dang然ran比bi較jiao難nan一yi點dian,當dang然ran風feng險xian也ye不bu是shi很hen大da。當dang你ni再zai往wang前qian走zou,走zou上shang國guo際ji,你ni經jing營ying的de範fan圍wei走zou到dao了le投tou資zi領ling域yu,走zou到dao了le國guo際ji投tou資zi領ling域yu,風feng險xian會hui增zeng大da。
對dui中zhong國guo企qi業ye的de經jing營ying管guan理li水shui平ping會hui更geng高gao,你ni有you沒mei有you能neng力li在zai一yi個ge更geng大da的de範fan圍wei內nei,特te別bie是shi你ni融rong的de更geng多duo資zi金jin之zhi後hou,你ni還hai有you這zhe麼me大da的de資zi金jin來lai獲huo得de同tong樣yang的de盈ying利li嗎ma?我wo們men有you一yi個ge監jian測ce結jie論lun,上shang市shi公gong司si的de競jing爭zheng力li還hai不bu如ru非fei上shang市shi公gong司si。為wei什shen麼me呢ne?就jiu是shi這zhe個ge問wen題ti。比bi如ru說shuo你ni原yuan來lai是shi一yi個ge很hen好hao的de企qi業ye,你ni可ke以yi有you一yi個ge億yi的de規gui模mo,你ni創chuang造zao了le一yi千qian萬wan的de利li潤run,你ni的de利li潤run率lv就jiu有you10%了。現在我們說你的企業很好,既然你有10%的de盈ying利li能neng力li,現xian在zai我wo們men就jiu讓rang你ni上shang市shi,給gei你ni更geng多duo的de錢qian,當dang你ni企qi業ye有you十shi個ge億yi的de時shi候hou,你ni如ru果guo還hai創chuang造zao一yi千qian萬wan,你ni效xiao益yi就jiu顯xian著zhu下xia降jiang。你ni原yuan來lai一yi個ge億yi你ni創chuang造zao一yi千qian萬wan,你ni現xian在zai十shi個ge億yi你ni還hai創chuang造zao一yi千qian萬wan。所suo以yi,企qi業ye獲huo得de的de資zi源yuan越yue多duo的de時shi候hou,對dui它ta的de盈ying利li能neng力li要yao求qiu就jiu越yue高gao,它ta的de管guan理li者zhe能neng不bu能neng保bao持chi你ni在zai運yun作zuo一yi個ge小xiao規gui模mo企qi業ye的de時shi候hou,這zhe個ge挑tiao戰zhan越yue來lai越yue大da。是shi第di二er個ge挑tiao戰zhan。
第di三san個ge挑tiao戰zhan就jiu是shi說shuo要yao素su成cheng本ben會hui普pu遍bian上shang漲zhang,環huan境jing標biao準zhun也ye會hui大da幅fu度du提ti高gao,在zai這zhe種zhong條tiao件jian下xia,對dui企qi業ye成cheng本ben是shi一yi個ge重zhong大da的de壓ya力li。如ru果guo你ni不bu進jin入ru創chuang新xin,你ni成cheng本ben一yi定ding推tui低di,當dang然ran你ni會hui壓ya縮suo你ni的de空kong間jian。盡jin管guan現xian在zai中zhong國guo普pu遍bian的de企qi業ye技ji術shu創chuang新xin投tou入ru還hai不bu足zu,但dan是shi我wo估gu計ji下xia一yi個ge階jie段duan,你ni企qi業ye不bu走zou創chuang新xin的de路lu子zi,你ni就jiu難nan再zai繼ji續xu保bao持chi你ni這zhe麼me好hao的de業ye績ji。所suo以yi,下xia一yi階jie段duan對dui企qi業ye盈ying利li是shi既ji有you樂le觀guan的de,良liang好hao的de機ji會hui,又you有you要yao研yan究jiu的de挑tiao戰zhan。[page_break]
[中國網]:
我們看下一位網友的提問。他說:眾所周知中國的經濟總體水平呈現是東、中、西的階梯差別,根據你們的監測情況,中國企業競爭力總體水平是否有類似的地區差異?有那些因素造成的呢?
[金碚]:
對dui。基ji本ben上shang也ye是shi這zhe樣yang。因yin為wei我wo們men的de監jian測ce的de目mu的de就jiu是shi通tong過guo企qi業ye競jing爭zheng力li的de監jian測ce來lai反fan映ying中zhong國guo經jing濟ji資zi本ben狀zhuang況kuang,我wo們men監jian測ce的de結jie果guo大da體ti上shang也ye是shi這zhe樣yang。基ji本ben上shang我wo們men還hai是shi反fan映ying了le中zhong國guo目mu前qian的de經jing濟ji發fa展zhan的de狀zhuang況kuang。
[李鋼]:
我(wo)們(men)在(zai)監(jian)測(ce)的(de)時(shi)候(hou)對(dui)各(ge)地(di)區(qu)企(qi)業(ye)競(jing)爭(zheng)力(li)有(you)評(ping)估(gu)。首(shou)先(xian)我(wo)們(men)從(cong)總(zong)格(ge)局(ju)來(lai)看(kan),東(dong)部(bu)的(de)企(qi)業(ye)競(jing)爭(zheng)力(li)比(bi)較(jiao)強(qiang),中(zhong)部(bu)次(ci),西(xi)部(bu)的(de)比(bi)較(jiao)弱(ruo),總(zong)的(de)來(lai)看(kan)格(ge)局(ju)是(shi)這(zhe)樣(yang)的(de)。而(er)且(qie),我(wo)們(men)會(hui)看(kan)到(dao)中(zhong)國(guo)目(mu)前(qian)來(lai)看(kan),上(shang)市(shi)最(zui)多(duo)的(de)地(di)區(qu)是(shi)廣(guang)東(dong)、上海和北京,上市規模是這樣的。因為我們每年有監測企業競爭力前百強的情況,我們監測結果是中國目前百強最多的地方是廣東、上海和北京。
danshi,womenhuifaxianwomenduimeigediqudeqiyejingzhenglizuoleyigepingjunfen,womendechulaidejieguoshishenme?womenbaguangdongdanduliechulaifaxianwomenhuifaxian,jingzhenglizuiqiangdedisangeshiguangzhou、山東和北京。特別是山東,我們在2004年(nian)的(de)時(shi)候(hou)做(zuo)過(guo)一(yi)個(ge)調(tiao)查(zha),我(wo)們(men)會(hui)發(fa)現(xian)中(zhong)國(guo)知(zhi)名(ming)品(pin)牌(pai)最(zui)集(ji)中(zhong)的(de)一(yi)個(ge)地(di)方(fang)竟(jing)然(ran)是(shi)山(shan)東(dong)。所(suo)以(yi)我(wo)們(men)覺(jiao)得(de)一(yi)個(ge)地(di)區(qu)對(dui)一(yi)個(ge)企(qi)業(ye)的(de)競(jing)爭(zheng)力(li)還(hai)是(shi)有(you)很(hen)大(da)的(de)影(ying)響(xiang)的(de)。
[中國網]:
我們看下一位網友的提問:今年8月上旬,社科文獻出版社出版了社科院首部《工業化藍皮書》。就(jiu)在(zai)這(zhe)部(bu)書(shu)的(de)發(fa)布(bu)會(hui)上(shang),金(jin)所(suo)長(chang)發(fa)言(yan)了(le),你(ni)說(shuo)中(zhong)國(guo)將(jiang)會(hui)有(you)一(yi)個(ge)很(hen)長(chang)的(de)工(gong)業(ye)化(hua)過(guo)程(cheng),中(zhong)國(guo)經(jing)濟(ji)社(she)會(hui)對(dui)重(zhong)化(hua)工(gong)業(ye)的(de)發(fa)展(zhan)也(ye)有(you)很(hen)大(da)的(de)依(yi)賴(lai)。你(ni)能(neng)不(bu)能(neng)描(miao)述(shu)一(yi)下(xia)中(zhong)國(guo)未(wei)來(lai)的(de)工(gong)業(ye)化(hua)進(jin)程(cheng)大(da)致(zhi)是(shi)怎(zen)樣(yang)的(de)一(yi)條(tiao)路(lu)?第(di)二(er)個(ge)問(wen)題(ti)是(shi),三(san)個(ge)產(chan)業(ye)的(de)關(guan)係(xi)將(jiang)會(hui)發(fa)生(sheng)怎(zen)樣(yang)的(de)轉(zhuan)化(hua)?
[金碚]:
這zhe是shi國guo內nei理li論lun屆jie和he經jing濟ji屆jie爭zheng論lun比bi較jiao多duo的de一yi個ge問wen題ti。就jiu是shi說shuo,作zuo為wei中zhong國guo這zhe樣yang一yi個ge國guo家jia,人ren均jun的de土tu地di麵mian積ji和he資zi源yuan都dou比bi較jiao缺que乏fa。人ren口kou這zhe麼me多duo,能neng不bu能neng夠gou,或huo者zhe是shi會hui不bu會hui繼ji續xu走zou其qi他ta工gong業ye化hua國guo家jia同tong樣yang的de道dao路lu,在zai經jing過guo加jia工gong輕qing工gong業ye的de一yi段duan高gao速su的de發fa展zhan之zhi後hou,進jin入ru一yi個ge重zhong化hua工gong業ye的de發fa展zhan階jie段duan。那na麼me,有you的de學xue者zhe認ren為wei中zhong國guo不bu應ying該gai或huo者zhe不bu可ke能neng走zou重zhong化hua工gong業ye發fa展zhan的de道dao路lu,因yin為wei中zhong國guo資zi源yuan短duan缺que,環huan境jing脆cui弱ruo等deng等deng,人ren口kou眾zhong多duo等deng等deng原yuan因yin。有you的de學xue者zhe認ren為wei,重zhong化hua工gong業ye是shi中zhong國guo工gong業ye化hua發fa展zhan的de一yi個ge必bi經jing的de階jie段duan。應ying該gai說shuo雙shuang方fang都dou有you合he理li性xing。
首shou先xian我wo們men看kan一yi下xia中zhong國guo的de現xian實shi,一yi個ge現xian實shi是shi說shuo現xian在zai很hen多duo經jing濟ji比bi較jiao發fa展zhan的de地di區qu,我wo在zai中zhong國guo比bi較jiao發fa展zhan的de地di區qu,他ta們men的de工gong業ye產chan業ye布bu局ju都dou傾qing向xiang重zhong化hua工gong業ye。比bi如ru說shuo都dou在zai發fa展zhan鋼gang鐵tie、裝備製造,都去發展釉、鎂mei這zhe些xie東dong西xi,哪na怕pa是shi過guo去qu重zhong化hua工gong業ye比bi較jiao弱ruo的de地di區qu,比bi如ru說shuo廣guang東dong,他ta們men也ye把ba重zhong化hua工gong業ye發fa展zhan作zuo為wei下xia一yi階jie段duan工gong業ye化hua的de發fa展zhan的de重zhong要yao的de產chan業ye選xuan擇ze方fang式shi。這zhe是shi一yi個ge現xian實shi對dui吧ba。包bao括kuo上shang海hai、江蘇、山東都是這樣。那麼,他們為什麼這麼做呢?這是一個現實。
[金碚]:
diergexianshishishuo,zhongguoqueshishimianlinzheziyuanhuanjingwenti,ziyuanhuanjingwentilimianzuizhongyaodeshishuiziyuan,ranhoushinengyuan,huanjingwentiyeshibijiaoyanjun。namewentishishuo,zhexiewentidejiejuenengbunenggoushuowomenbufazhanzhonghuagongyezhexiewentijiunengjiejuene?qishi,bufazhanzhexiezhonghuagongye,keyishuosuoyouzhongguomianlindezhongdadejingjiheshehuiwentidoujiejuebule。zhongguoyaogongyehua、城cheng市shi化hua,城cheng市shi化hua沒mei有you重zhong工gong業ye怎zen麼me能neng夠gou形xing成cheng城cheng市shi?中zhong國guo這zhe麼me大da個ge國guo家jia解jie決jue交jiao通tong問wen題ti沒mei有you重zhong工gong業ye怎zen麼me解jie決jue挑tiao戰zhan問wen題ti?中zhong國guo我wo前qian麵mian講jiang,最zui大da的de資zi源yuan問wen題ti是shi水shui資zi源yuan問wen題ti,沒mei有you水shui資zi源yuan沒mei有you水shui利li怎zen麼me解jie決jue中zhong國guo的de水shui問wen題ti?中zhong國guo的de環huan境jing問wen題ti很hen嚴yan峻jun,環huan境jing問wen題ti裏li麵mian最zui重zhong要yao的de是shi中zhong國guo國guo土tu的de整zheng治zhi。如ru何he整zheng治zhi?沒mei有you重zhong工gong業ye怎zen麼me進jin行xing整zheng治zhi?重zhong工gong業ye當dang然ran要yao消xiao耗hao土tu地di。但dan是shi,中zhong國guo有you大da片pian到dao目mu前qian的de技ji術shu條tiao件jian下xia沒mei有you經jing濟ji價jia值zhi,或huo者zhe經jing濟ji價jia值zhi很hen低di的de土tu地di,中zhong國guo不bu是shi沒mei有you地di,是shi可ke經jing濟ji價jia值zhi高gao地di比bi較jiao少shao,中zhong國guo總zong體ti的de地di並bing不bu少shao。但dan是shi你ni要yao讓rang那na些xie現xian在zai沒mei有you用yong的de土tu地di,讓rang它ta變bian得de有you用yong,讓rang它ta成cheng為wei有you用yong的de土tu地di,你ni靠kao什shen麼me?你ni靠kao重zhong化hua工gong業ye的de發fa展zhan來lai整zheng治zhi這zhe些xie土tu地di。發fa展zhan交jiao通tong,來lai使shi更geng大da的de土tu地di有you用yong。
所(suo)以(yi)中(zhong)國(guo)重(zhong)化(hua)工(gong)業(ye)的(de)發(fa)展(zhan)確(que)實(shi)有(you)那(na)些(xie)抉(jue)擇(ze),它(ta)會(hui)對(dui)於(yu)中(zhong)國(guo)的(de)環(huan)境(jing)資(zi)源(yuan)造(zao)成(cheng)很(hen)大(da)的(de)壓(ya)力(li)。如(ru)果(guo)你(ni)處(chu)理(li)不(bu)當(dang)的(de)話(hua),會(hui)造(zao)成(cheng)嚴(yan)重(zhong)的(de)環(huan)境(jing)破(po)壞(huai),和(he)資(zi)源(yuan)條(tiao)件(jian)的(de)破(po)壞(huai)。但(dan)是(shi),我(wo)們(men)從(cong)根(gen)本(ben)上(shang)說(shuo),中(zhong)國(guo)的(de)國(guo)情(qing)也(ye)決(jue)定(ding),如(ru)果(guo)不(bu)發(fa)展(zhan)中(zhong)國(guo)重(zhong)化(hua)工(gong)業(ye),中(zhong)國(guo)所(suo)有(you)重(zhong)大(da)的(de)經(jing)濟(ji)問(wen)題(ti)都(dou)解(jie)決(jue)不(bu)了(le)。所(suo)以(yi),我(wo)剛(gang)才(cai)講(jiang),我(wo)們(men)中(zhong)國(guo)就(jiu)是(shi)要(yao)尋(xun)找(zhao)發(fa)展(zhan)重(zhong)化(hua)工(gong)業(ye)和(he)解(jie)決(jue)中(zhong)國(guo)資(zi)源(yuan)環(huan)境(jing)問(wen)題(ti)統(tong)一(yi)的(de)道(dao)路(lu),這(zhe)對(dui)中(zhong)國(guo)工(gong)業(ye)的(de)一(yi)個(ge)挑(tiao)戰(zhan)。如(ru)果(guo)沒(mei)有(you)重(zhong)化(hua)工(gong)業(ye),農(nong)村(cun)永(yong)遠(yuan)是(shi)落(luo)後(hou)的(de),沒(mei)有(you)城(cheng)市(shi),沒(mei)有(you)交(jiao)通(tong),水(shui)的(de)問(wen)題(ti)解(jie)決(jue)不(bu)了(le)。你(ni)就(jiu)是(shi)解(jie)決(jue)環(huan)境(jing)問(wen)題(ti)、保護環境你也靠重化工業,沒有機械、設備、沒有交通、nengyuannihuanjingzenmejiejue?zhongdanongyezenmejiejue?suoyizheshiyigefeichangbianzhengdeguanxi。jiushishuowomenyaokandaofazhanzhonghuagongyeduiwomenguojiaziyuanhuanjingsuochanshengdejudadeyali,hetayoukenengchanshengdepohuaizuoyong,danshitongshiwomenyeyaokandao,womenbixuyaozoutongguozhonghuagongyedefazhanlaichangyuandejiejuezhongguodeziyuanhuanjingwenti。
[中國網]:
這個就是中國未來工業發展的方向?
[金碚]:
對dui。中zhong國guo沒mei有you條tiao件jian是shi說shuo走zou一yi個ge主zhu要yao靠kao比bi如ru說shuo服fu務wu業ye,不bu發fa展zhan工gong業ye來lai解jie決jue,有you的de國guo家jia可ke以yi,我wo可ke以yi限xian製zhi發fa展zhan工gong業ye來lai解jie決jue我wo的de資zi源yuan。但dan中zhong國guo走zou不bu了le這zhe條tiao路lu,最zui少shao是shi整zheng個ge國guo家jia來lai說shuo走zou不bu了le這zhe條tiao路lu。所suo以yi,客ke觀guan上shang講jiang我wo們men工gong業ye相xiang當dang的de高gao。這zhe個ge是shi客ke觀guan規gui律lv吧ba。[page_break]
[中國網]:
我們來看下位網友的提問:金jin所suo長chang您nin還hai擔dan任ren著zhe中zhong國guo經jing營ying報bao社she長chang一yi職zhi,對dui傳chuan媒mei產chan業ye有you很hen深shen的de研yan究jiu。請qing問wen你ni在zai傳chuan媒mei工gong作zuo的de經jing驗yan對dui你ni的de研yan究jiu有you怎zen樣yang的de幫bang助zhu呢ne?或huo者zhe反fan過guo來lai說shuo,對dui傳chuan媒mei產chan業ye的de研yan究jiu能neng不bu能neng幫bang助zhu您nin更geng好hao的de管guan理li一yi家jia報bao社she?
[金碚]:
當然可以。《中國經營報》應ying該gai說shuo它ta既ji是shi一yi張zhang高gao度du市shi場chang化hua的de報bao紙zhi,同tong時shi它ta本ben身shen也ye是shi一yi張zhang財cai經jing的de報bao紙zhi。它ta報bao道dao中zhong國guo財cai經jing的de新xin聞wen。當dang然ran是shi進jin入ru一yi個ge市shi場chang化hua的de報bao社she,當dang然ran對dui我wo們men研yan究jiu中zhong國guo的de產chan業ye狀zhuang況kuang有you很hen大da的de幫bang助zhu。同tong時shi,我wo們men對dui於yu產chan業ye以yi及ji產chan業ye競jing爭zheng力li和he企qi業ye管guan理li的de一yi些xie理li論lun和he經jing驗yan也ye很hen有you利li於yu來lai促cu進jin《中國經營報》本身的發展。所以應該說,《中國經營報》特別是這一、兩年來它的發展勢頭也是比較好的。今年據說是平麵媒體的廣告收入有所下降,因為電子媒體的競爭。《中國經營報》相反,我們今年的廣告收入有比較大幅度的增長,銷售也比較好,當然跟我們去客觀的、冷leng靜jing的de分fen析xi傳chuan媒mei產chan業ye有you很hen大da的de關guan係xi。我wo們men對dui傳chuan媒mei產chan業ye的de發fa展zhan也ye有you我wo們men自zi己ji的de分fen析xi的de看kan法fa,找zhao到dao我wo們men的de報bao紙zhi發fa展zhan的de空kong間jian在zai哪na裏li,這zhe又you是shi一yi個ge專zhuan門men的de話hua題ti。到dao底di中zhong國guo平ping麵mian媒mei體ti它ta的de發fa展zhan方fang向xiang怎zen麼me樣yang,作zuo為wei一yi個ge平ping麵mian媒mei體ti為wei主zhu的de這zhe樣yang一yi個ge報bao社she,它ta的de生sheng存cun的de空kong間jian,它ta的de盈ying利li的de機ji會hui在zai什shen麼me地di方fang?我wo們men也ye有you分fen析xi。所suo以yi,我wo們men的de經jing營ying管guan理li就jiu瞄miao準zhun了le這zhe樣yang一yi個ge方fang向xiang,所suo以yi能neng夠gou獲huo得de比bi較jiao好hao的de業ye績ji。
[中國網]:
這個網友還有一個問題,就是說你怎麼評價中國傳媒產業的競爭力?
[金碚]:
zhongguochuanmeichanyedejingzhenglizongtilaijiangbushihenqiang,danshixianzaiguimoyijingbijiaoda,zhongguodechubanwuyehao,zhongguodebaokanfaxingliangyehao,yinweizhongguoshigedaguo,tazaizhegeliangshangkenengyijingzoudaoshijiepaimingbijiaoqianle。danshi,zongtilaijiangzhongguochuanmeiyedejingzhenglihaibushihenqiang。yigeshitayouyigechengchangdeguocheng,nametayouyigetizhishangdewentihaimeiyouzuizhongjiejue,diergewentijiushishuozenmeyangxingchengyigechuanmeichanye,woqianmianjiangguojingzhenglilaiyuanyujingzheng,zenmeyangxingchengyigechuanmeichanyezhongjiangongpingjingzhengdezheyangyigezhuangtai、規(gui)則(ze),中(zhong)國(guo)還(hai)在(zai)探(tan)索(suo)。中(zhong)國(guo)傳(chuan)媒(mei)競(jing)爭(zheng)應(ying)該(gai)是(shi)這(zhe)樣(yang),傳(chuan)媒(mei)競(jing)爭(zheng)主(zhu)體(ti)是(shi)誰(shui)?你(ni)允(yun)許(xu)競(jing)爭(zheng)的(de)空(kong)間(jian)是(shi)哪(na)些(xie)?這(zhe)個(ge)大(da)家(jia)都(dou)在(zai)探(tan)索(suo)。那(na)麼(me),在(zai)業(ye)績(ji)上(shang)也(ye)表(biao)現(xian)為(wei)中(zhong)國(guo)傳(chuan)媒(mei)單(dan)位(wei)吧(ba),有(you)的(de)是(shi)企(qi)業(ye),有(you)的(de)不(bu)是(shi)企(qi)業(ye),他(ta)的(de)業(ye)績(ji)表(biao)現(xian),除(chu)了(le)極(ji)少(shao)數(shu)之(zhi)外(wai),大(da)多(duo)數(shu)都(dou)和(he)國(guo)外(wai)的(de)同(tong)類(lei)企(qi)業(ye)沒(mei)法(fa)比(bi)。所(suo)以(yi),中(zhong)國(guo)的(de)傳(chuan)媒(mei)產(chan)業(ye)競(jing)爭(zheng)力(li)提(ti)升(sheng)還(hai)有(you)很(hen)長(chang)的(de)路(lu)要(yao)走(zou),而(er)且(qie)現(xian)在(zai)我(wo)們(men)還(hai)麵(mian)臨(lin)著(zhe)怎(zen)麼(me)樣(yang)參(can)與(yu)國(guo)際(ji)競(jing)爭(zheng)的(de)問(wen)題(ti),都(dou)在(zai)探(tan)索(suo),所(suo)以(yi)跟(gen)中(zhong)國(guo)的(de)企(qi)業(ye)相(xiang)比(bi)和(he)中(zhong)國(guo)的(de)特(te)別(bie)是(shi)工(gong)商(shang)的(de)企(qi)業(ye)相(xiang)比(bi),中(zhong)國(guo)傳(chuan)媒(mei)業(ye)的(de)競(jing)爭(zheng)力(li)應(ying)該(gai)說(shuo)是(shi)大(da)大(da)的(de)好(hao)的(de)。
[金碚]:
這zhe是shi一yi個ge比bi較jiao特te殊shu的de領ling域yu,要yao有you一yi個ge特te殊shu的de規gui則ze,要yao有you一yi條tiao符fu合he中zhong國guo國guo情qing的de這zhe樣yang一yi種zhong競jing爭zheng製zhi度du,才cai能neng夠gou使shi得de這zhe個ge行xing業ye中zhong間jian能neng夠gou真zhen正zheng形xing成cheng比bi較jiao強qiang有you利li的de競jing爭zheng。
[中國網]:
謝謝金所長,在今天節目快要結束的時候,有什麼需要對我們廣大網友說的?
[金碚]:
非(fei)常(chang)感(gan)謝(xie)廣(guang)大(da)網(wang)友(you)來(lai)關(guan)注(zhu)這(zhe)樣(yang)一(yi)個(ge)問(wen)題(ti),中(zhong)國(guo)競(jing)爭(zheng)力(li)問(wen)題(ti)是(shi)市(shi)場(chang)經(jing)濟(ji)條(tiao)件(jian)下(xia)的(de)一(yi)個(ge)根(gen)本(ben)問(wen)題(ti),所(suo)有(you)問(wen)題(ti)的(de)解(jie)決(jue)都(dou)依(yi)賴(lai)於(yu)你(ni)有(you)沒(mei)有(you)具(ju)有(you)較(jiao)強(qiang)競(jing)爭(zheng)力(li)的(de)企(qi)業(ye)、產業、yizhinizhenggeguojiashifoujuyoujingzhengli。womenduizhegewentijingguoleshiduoniandeyanjiuyouyixiexindetihuihechengguo,tongguozhegequdaolaiheguangdawangyoulaijiaoliu,zheyangyigejihui,womenyehenganxiewangyoumendeguanzhu。
[李鋼]:
感謝中國網給我們機會來跟大家溝通交流,來介紹我們這本書,也很高興今天能夠跟各位網友來分享我們十年來的研究成果謝謝大家。
[中國網]:
謝謝金所長、李鋼先生的做客,再會。