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記者:胡總,您認為目前中國工業控製係統安全的發展現狀是怎樣的?
胡總:工信部於2011年出台了451號文件,451號文件的要求是對中國的基礎設施尤其是工業控製網絡進行安全檢測,集中發現問題並給出安全預案。在2011年之後很多企業開始了這方麵的探索,但因為當時缺乏專業的工控網絡安全企業來幫助政府完成任務,所以效果不是很明顯。2013年nian之zhi後hou,這zhe些xie企qi業ye開kai始shi湧yong現xian,包bao括kuo穀gu神shen星xing,也ye包bao括kuo一yi些xie國guo外wai的de成cheng熟shu的de技ji術shu及ji產chan品pin開kai始shi進jin入ru中zhong國guo,使shi我wo國guo的de工gong控kong領ling域yu得de以yi迅xun速su地di發fa展zhan。目mu前qian從cong國guo家jia的de層ceng麵mian來lai講jiang對dui工gong業ye控kong製zhi網wang絡luo安an全quan是shi非fei常chang重zhong視shi的de,因yin為wei工gong業ye網wang絡luo安an全quan從cong本ben質zhi上shang講jiang是shi基ji礎chu設she施shi安an全quan,一yi旦dan出chu現xian重zhong大da的de網wang絡luo安an全quan事shi故gu,影ying響xiang和he損sun失shi無wu法fa估gu量liang。此ci外wai,企qi業ye領ling導dao層ceng也ye在zai紛fen紛fen響xiang應ying國guo家jia的de號hao召zhao,並bing對dui工gong控kong網wang絡luo安an全quan這zhe塊kuai積ji極ji地di響xiang應ying,積ji極ji采cai取qu措cuo施shi落luo實shi。所suo以yi從cong市shi場chang角jiao度du來lai講jiang,目mu前qian正zheng處chu於yu工gong控kong安an全quan市shi場chang爆bao發fa的de前qian夕xi,企qi業ye需xu要yao去qu培pei育yu市shi場chang、把握用戶的需求,把質量可靠的安全產品推廣出去。這個過程一般都有一個試用及摸索的階段,但是,工控安全的前景不可估量。

穀神星網絡科技(北京)有限公司董事長兼CEO 胡浩
記者:您認為保障工業控製網絡安全的核心環節是什麼?
胡總:核he心xin的de環huan節jie就jiu是shi,第di一yi是shi知zhi己ji,需xu要yao對dui整zheng個ge網wang絡luo進jin行xing一yi個ge徹che底di的de了le解jie,做zuo到dao心xin中zhong有you數shu。工gong控kong網wang絡luo到dao底di存cun在zai什shen麼me問wen題ti,有you什shen麼me缺que陷xian和he風feng險xian,我wo們men需xu要yao采cai用yong什shen麼me樣yang的de技ji術shu措cuo施shi,需xu要yao提ti高gao到dao什shen麼me樣yang的de水shui平ping;第di二er就jiu是shi知zhi彼bi,假jia如ru對dui方fang知zhi道dao我wo的de這zhe些xie問wen題ti後hou他ta們men會hui采cai取qu什shen麼me樣yang的de攻gong擊ji手shou段duan,當dang然ran,有you時shi候hou本ben土tu的de信xin息xi安an全quan也ye可ke能neng是shi因yin為wei工gong作zuo人ren員yuan失shi誤wu或huo者zhe操cao作zuo異yi常chang導dao致zhi的de。那na麼me,知zhi己ji知zhi彼bi之zhi後hou呢ne,需xu要yao進jin行xing一yi套tao完wan整zheng的de防fang護hu方fang案an,需xu要yao將jiang完wan整zheng的de防fang護hu方fang案an部bu署shu到dao我wo們men的de控kong製zhi係xi統tong裏li麵mian,做zuo到dao萬wan無wu一yi失shi,通tong常chang加jia固gu工gong控kong網wang絡luo安an全quan,這zhe是shi我wo們men需xu要yao做zuo的de幾ji個ge步bu驟zhou。
記者:企(qi)業(ye)為(wei)工(gong)業(ye)控(kong)製(zhi)係(xi)統(tong)部(bu)署(shu)傳(chuan)統(tong)的(de)信(xin)息(xi)安(an)全(quan)防(fang)護(hu)產(chan)品(pin)會(hui)存(cun)在(zai)哪(na)些(xie)問(wen)題(ti)?與(yu)傳(chuan)統(tong)的(de)信(xin)息(xi)安(an)全(quan)防(fang)護(hu)體(ti)係(xi)相(xiang)比(bi),工(gong)控(kong)安(an)全(quan)係(xi)統(tong)存(cun)在(zai)哪(na)些(xie)專(zhuan)業(ye)性(xing)特(te)點(dian)?
胡總:首先,我們國家工業4.0水平還是比較弱的,很多企業都已經開始投入、建(jian)設(she)智(zhi)能(neng)工(gong)廠(chang)。如(ru)果(guo)僅(jin)僅(jin)是(shi)對(dui)信(xin)息(xi)安(an)全(quan)防(fang)護(hu)的(de)話(hua),把(ba)自(zi)己(ji)的(de)工(gong)廠(chang)整(zheng)個(ge)控(kong)製(zhi)係(xi)統(tong)互(hu)通(tong)互(hu)聯(lian)了(le)以(yi)後(hou),實(shi)際(ji)上(shang)是(shi)存(cun)在(zai)很(hen)大(da)的(de)缺(que)陷(xian)和(he)風(feng)險(xian)的(de)。由(you)於(yu)接(jie)口(kou)的(de)放(fang)開(kai),黑(hei)客(ke)通(tong)過(guo)放(fang)開(kai)的(de)接(jie)口(kou)直(zhi)接(jie)攻(gong)入(ru)我(wo)們(men)的(de)係(xi)統(tong),而(er)我(wo)們(men)的(de)係(xi)統(tong)本(ben)身(shen)這(zhe)些(xie)控(kong)製(zhi)設(she)備(bei)是(shi)存(cun)在(zai)網(wang)絡(luo)安(an)全(quan)漏(lou)洞(dong)的(de),那(na)麼(me)通(tong)過(guo)對(dui)這(zhe)些(xie)漏(lou)洞(dong)的(de)利(li)用(yong),會(hui)造(zao)成(cheng)一(yi)定(ding)程(cheng)度(du)的(de)破(po)壞(huai)和(he)損(sun)失(shi)。
工(gong)控(kong)係(xi)統(tong)對(dui)係(xi)統(tong)的(de)可(ke)用(yong)性(xing)及(ji)實(shi)時(shi)性(xing)要(yao)求(qiu)非(fei)常(chang)高(gao),而(er)傳(chuan)統(tong)信(xin)息(xi)行(xing)業(ye)最(zui)關(guan)注(zhu)的(de)是(shi)信(xin)息(xi)本(ben)身(shen)安(an)全(quan),所(suo)以(yi)兩(liang)者(zhe)的(de)關(guan)注(zhu)點(dian)不(bu)一(yi)樣(yang)。另(ling)外(wai),工(gong)控(kong)行(xing)業(ye)中(zhong)的(de)工(gong)控(kong)產(chan)品(pin)更(geng)新(xin)換(huan)代(dai)周(zhou)期(qi)非(fei)常(chang)長(chang),有(you)些(xie)係(xi)統(tong)已(yi)經(jing)運(yun)行(xing)了(le)十(shi)幾(ji)年(nian)還(hai)在(zai)服(fu)役(yi),不(bu)像(xiang)現(xian)在(zai)的(de)傳(chuan)統(tong)信(xin)息(xi)產(chan)業(ye),三(san)兩(liang)年(nian)就(jiu)要(yao)更(geng)新(xin)換(huan)代(dai),更(geng)換(huan)硬(ying)件(jian)設(she)備(bei)。至(zhi)於(yu)軟(ruan)件(jian)係(xi)統(tong),傳(chuan)統(tong)信(xin)息(xi)行(xing)業(ye)軟(ruan)件(jian)時(shi)常(chang)要(yao)更(geng)新(xin),就(jiu)算(suan)更(geng)新(xin)失(shi)敗(bai),係(xi)統(tong)重(zhong)啟(qi)也(ye)不(bu)會(hui)造(zao)成(cheng)太(tai)大(da)的(de)影(ying)響(xiang)和(he)損(sun)失(shi)。工(gong)控(kong)係(xi)統(tong)因(yin)為(wei)直(zhi)接(jie)控(kong)製(zhi)生(sheng)產(chan)設(she)備(bei),如(ru)果(guo)沒(mei)有(you)重(zhong)大(da)缺(que)陷(xian),在(zai)不(bu)影(ying)響(xiang)生(sheng)產(chan)的(de)條(tiao)件(jian)下(xia),不(bu)允(yun)許(xu)更(geng)新(xin)升(sheng)級(ji)軟(ruan)件(jian),而(er)且(qie)硬(ying)件(jian)係(xi)統(tong)都(dou)備(bei)有(you)冗(rong)餘(yu)設(she)備(bei),要(yao)求(qiu)控(kong)製(zhi)係(xi)統(tong)不(bu)能(neng)有(you)無(wu)計(ji)劃(hua)的(de)停(ting)機(ji)或(huo)者(zhe)重(zhong)啟(qi),否(fou)則(ze)有(you)可(ke)能(neng)引(yin)起(qi)重(zhong)大(da)生(sheng)產(chan)損(sun)失(shi)或(huo)者(zhe)人(ren)身(shen)傷(shang)害(hai)事(shi)故(gu)。
記者:針對不同行業和不同規模的企業,該如何進行工控安全類產品的選型?
胡總:工(gong)控(kong)安(an)全(quan)產(chan)品(pin)的(de)選(xuan)型(xing),第(di)一(yi)重(zhong)要(yao)的(de)是(shi)產(chan)品(pin)要(yao)技(ji)術(shu)領(ling)先(xian)且(qie)質(zhi)量(liang)可(ke)靠(kao),隻(zhi)有(you)采(cai)用(yong)了(le)先(xian)進(jin)的(de)安(an)全(quan)控(kong)製(zhi)技(ji)術(shu),才(cai)能(neng)保(bao)護(hu)好(hao)工(gong)控(kong)產(chan)品(pin),當(dang)然(ran),如(ru)果(guo)質(zhi)量(liang)不(bu)可(ke)靠(kao),本(ben)身(shen)就(jiu)談(tan)不(bu)上(shang)對(dui)產(chan)品(pin)進(jin)行(xing)有(you)效(xiao)的(de)保(bao)護(hu)了(le)。其(qi)次(ci),看(kan)企(qi)業(ye)在(zai)業(ye)界(jie)的(de)口(kou)碑(bei)和(he)市(shi)場(chang)占(zhan)有(you)率(lv),好(hao)的(de)產(chan)品(pin),市(shi)場(chang)會(hui)舉(ju)手(shou)投(tou)讚(zan)成(cheng)票(piao);不(bu)好(hao)的(de)產(chan)品(pin),市(shi)場(chang)隻(zhi)會(hui)用(yong)腳(jiao)投(tou)票(piao)了(le)。最(zui)後(hou),要(yao)看(kan)企(qi)業(ye)是(shi)否(fou)在(zai)不(bu)同(tong)行(xing)業(ye)有(you)應(ying)用(yong)案(an)例(li),是(shi)否(fou)某(mou)些(xie)企(qi)業(ye)專(zhuan)注(zhu)於(yu)某(mou)些(xie)行(xing)業(ye),通(tong)常(chang)需(xu)求(qiu)企(qi)業(ye)會(hui)對(dui)在(zai)同(tong)行(xing)業(ye)有(you)業(ye)績(ji)的(de)工(gong)控(kong)安(an)全(quan)產(chan)品(pin)比(bi)較(jiao)青(qing)睞(lai)。
穀神星的安全防護產品,是通過來自斯坦福大學、卡耐基梅隆大學、清華大學、北(bei)京(jing)大(da)學(xue)等(deng)國(guo)內(nei)外(wai)頂(ding)尖(jian)大(da)學(xue)的(de)自(zi)主(zhu)研(yan)發(fa)團(tuan)隊(dui)開(kai)發(fa)的(de),融(rong)合(he)了(le)國(guo)內(nei)外(wai)最(zui)先(xian)進(jin)的(de)安(an)全(quan)架(jia)構(gou)和(he)模(mo)塊(kuai),技(ji)術(shu)在(zai)國(guo)內(nei)外(wai)處(chu)於(yu)領(ling)先(xian)地(di)位(wei)。穀(gu)神(shen)星(xing)在(zai)國(guo)內(nei)重(zhong)要(yao)合(he)作(zuo)單(dan)位(wei)有(you)工(gong)業(ye)控(kong)製(zhi)係(xi)統(tong)信(xin)息(xi)安(an)全(quan)技(ji)術(shu)國(guo)家(jia)工(gong)程(cheng)實(shi)驗(yan)室(shi)、工控設備龍頭製造商、工控係統集成商、工控研究方向的科研院所和重點高校、國家和省級測評單位、fadianjituandeng。gongsixianhouchengweilegongyekongzhianquanjishuguojiagongchengshiyanshilishihuilishi,gongyekongzhixitongxinxianquanchanyelianmengchengyuan。weijianliwoguozizhudegongkonganquanfanghutixi,tishenggongkonganquanhexinjingzhengligongxianleliliang。
記者:隨著去IOE化及國家智能製造的要求,國內工控安全係統廠商將麵臨哪些機會和挑戰?
胡總:當dang前qian的de工gong控kong安an全quan還hai是shi比bi較jiao嚴yan峻jun的de,之zhi前qian很hen多duo的de基ji礎chu設she施shi行xing業ye對dui自zi己ji的de認ren識shi不bu足zu,但dan是shi有you些xie行xing業ye做zuo得de還hai是shi很hen不bu錯cuo的de。像xiang電dian力li行xing業ye本ben來lai已yi經jing采cai取qu了le橫heng向xiang隔ge離li,縱zong向xiang加jia密mi,很hen多duo安an全quan措cuo施shi都dou已yi經jing有you自zi己ji的de規gui範fan和he標biao準zhun,還hai有you其qi他ta的de行xing業ye像xiang燃ran氣qi還hai有you石shi油you石shi化hua,在zai管guan理li規gui範fan上shang也ye有you很hen多duo的de措cuo施shi,比bi如ru說shuo移yi動dong媒mei介jie不bu能neng隨sui便bian使shi用yong,封feng閉bi網wang絡luo環huan境jing等deng。總zong的de來lai講jiang,我wo們men國guo家jia的de一yi些xie基ji礎chu設she施shi行xing業ye本ben身shen已yi經jing采cai取qu了le一yi些xie管guan理li防fang範fan措cuo施shi,好hao些xie行xing業ye對dui安an全quan的de意yi識shi正zheng在zai逐zhu步bu的de增zeng強qiang,對dui安an全quan的de需xu要yao越yue來lai越yue強qiang,越yue來lai越yue高gao。麵mian對dui“震網事件”、“烏克蘭電網事件”,dajiadouyishidao,ruguowomenbuduigongkongxitongjiayizhongshi,buquanquanjiagu,zaochengdehouguojiushi,mouyigedifangdejichusheshifashengyiciyanzhongdewangluoanquanshiguzhihou,zaochengdesunshiwulunzhengzhiyingxiangyihuoshijingjiyingxiangdoushijudade,bukeguliangde。congzhenggeshichangdetourulaikan,woguoxianzaiduigongkongwangluoanquanzhekuaitouruxiangduijiaoshao,yinianzhiyoujishiyi,haibudaoyibaiyidetouzi,erruguofashengyiqianquanwangluoshigu,yigejichusheshidesunshijiuyoukenengchaoguobaiyi。suoyishuo,zhejiushiwomenyaojiaqiangwangluojichusheshianquandeyuanyin。chulejingjihezhengzhideyingxiangyinsu,zuizhongyaodehaishirenshenanquan,duiyukongzhixitonglaijiang,tadezuidawentijiushihuishejidaorenshenanquan。gushenxingzuoweizheyixingyedelingjunqiye,yezaijijidiyugegexingye,zhengfucengmianjieqia,womenyiheshengjidexinxianquancepingzhongxinjinxinghezuo,duiguanjiandeqiyejinxingjianzha,binggeichuwomendejiejuefanganbangtamenqujiaguzijidegongkongxitongwangluoanquan,weigongkongxingyedeanquangongxianzijideliliang。
另外,IOE化對國內廠商,無論是做安全的也好,服務器的也好,操作係統的也好都是一次機會。同時,我們也需要認識到國外對安全的意識、shichangxingweiyijijishuxiangbiguoneihaishilingxiande,danshisuizheguowairencaidehuigui,yedaihuilaiyixiebijiaoxindelinianhejishu,zheshidegongkonganquanlingyudezhengtijishumenkantishenglebushao。gerenqianjian:中國的安全企業不能閉門造車,要經常去國外學習、交流、研究國外最新的技術,並根據中國工控企業的實際應用情況消化吸收,研發出先進、可靠的產品出來,迎接即將騰飛的中國工控安全行業的發展。